Now watch the Republican Party of “Law and Order”nominate a convicted felon to be the next president
To find out what rules he broke for each guilty verdict, search “trump rule 34”
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I got you.
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Yo sorry I got distracted thinking about that orange fuckface being found guilty, could you start over?
I love it
It flows so nicely wouldn’t you say?
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I’m sorry can I get it once more, I was watering my sofa
Mushroom! Mushroom!
(dick)
It does. I’ll write a song with those lyrics.
One for Martin, two for Martin.
That’s beautiful.
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I’m so close.
I’m almost there…
This is going to pop into my head every time I think about the conviction. I hope you understand that. You are part of my life now.
Always have been…
i love this comment
When the GOP sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are convicted felons.
Can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. Get fucked you piece of shit
An earlier article said the Trump team was hoping for a hung jury.
Guilty all 34 counts.
Certainly was a hung jury. Hung like a horse!
Holy shit.
In NY, even if he’s sentenced to prison, it’s up to the judge’s discretion whether he has to report to prison while awaiting appeal…and we all know he’s going to appeal.
Well here’s hoping this judge is tired enough of Trump’s shit.
Something something historic trial something decorum something tradition and that’s why he’ll walk free.
That and the judge is probably terrified of having his house firebombed.
This is exactly why Judges have been so lenient on him. None of them want to go from country clubbing to having firsthand knowledge of the witness protection program.
I disagree with that. The judges need to be a bit lenient with him so nobody can say that the judge was biased against him. This was sort of frustrating to those of us who saw the judge as being too nice to Trump, but its now a lot harder to say he was gunning to get him convicted.
Idk Trump was literally attacking this judge’s daughter.
Any other person would’ve been held in contempt.
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Even a mere 6 months would be enough.
Don’t know about that, judging by the show Delocated, the witness protection program looks fun. Your own skins bar!
We’ll see on July 11th, but most likely it’s going to be some symbolic fine or gesture, but we’re not seeing this geriatric, senile old man who is also a former president, go to prison, where he would likely die as the country faces massive terrorist attacks and uprisings of dumbasses with deadly weapons, no judge in the country would do that no matter their political leaning if they at all took their job seriously and didn’t want to have entire chapters written about them in the coming history books.
House arrest may be an option but that would be seen as a political attack because it would stop him from campaigning and that would go straight to supreme court, which we know how that would turn out. Judges know all this, their hands are pretty much tied.
edit: I can’t understand this internet knee-jerk response system that plagued reddit as well as here where people will just downvote a comment to oblivion if they don’t like the possible reality it presents. You’re not exercising your critical thinking here, you’re making yourself dumber by not considering things you don’t like.
If your hands are tied by the corruption of others, make them do the corruption, don’t just preemptively do it for them.
Sorry but if they have a spine, their hands are most definitely not tied. That’s the problem with the system as it relates to this piece of shit. Everyone makes excuses.
Fuck that. It’s time to show that the rule of law matters no matter who the fuck you are. Maybe if he’s made an example of, Presidents will think twice before breaking the law.
But, I agree that the GOP, probably this judge, the Supreme Court, and Congress — none of them have a spine.
Fuck that. It’s time to show that the rule of law matters no matter who the fuck you are. Maybe if he’s made an example of, Presidents will think twice before breaking the law.
Okay I’m not against this and never said I was, I’m simply saying that this outcome where Trump goes to prison isn’t going to happen and you’re going to have to deal with it. Everyone is. That’s all. You can’t make this happen, our collective voice will not make this happen. People are getting some weird sense of unrealistic entitlement about this verdict.
The world doesn’t work the way we want and if we could all just get that through our skulls we would make better political choices and actually start focusing on what matters which is community action and organization in your local communities and districts, the places that support, prop-up and create the political theater that we wish would go away.
The world is what we allow it to be made as. You are, of course, free to be as defeatist about this as you want. Doesn’t at all mean I can’t want or expect him to sit in prison.
And since when is expecting just consequences considered entitlement?
I, for one, will not abide Trump, Fox News, or any other propaganda machine to eat away at the rule of law just because they or others might think something is unrealistic or unfair. He is guilty of breaking laws — of this and most likely much much more, as the future and trials will ideally prove. It’s long past time he pays for it.
Why are we so sure that Trump supporters are going to start major terrorist attacks and riots etc? Sure there will be some stragglers here and there but in general they are too stupid and too lazy to even start organising. If January 6th would have been prepared correctly on side of the police force, ie actual riot police present instead of beat cops and doormen, it would have been over in 10 minutes. If they were truly able to start shit, yesterday’s conviction should have triggered them already. It really shouldn’t keep Trump out of jail when the fear is that a Walmart fat guy in camo might shoot up a Starbucks.
Everyone likes to circlejerk about revolution or whatever, but for 99.9% of people in developed countries, life is too good to put it on the line.
I’m saying that people in positions of leadership, from judges to attorneys are not going to want to take that chance and be the ones responsible on even the remote chance that there’s any kind of civil unrest. This is regardless of the actual chances of anything happening, it’s about liability not probability.
I don’t understand what you mean. They wouldn’t be liable or responsible if they just did their job.
They aren’t the ones who would instruct people to riot or do terrorism, which would make them liable.
To construct a liability or responsibility out of their duty is what the fascist side would try to do, so I have to assume you’re one of them?
So far I am not under the impression that the government would not do what needs to be done. I think it’s obvious that 99% of Trump supporters are just talk, and mainly talk in anonymity on the internet.
and didn’t want to have entire chapters written about them in the coming history books
So what you’re saying is he’s definitely going to prison.
I really wonder if the judge will call out Trumps behavior, the multiple gag order violations, etc. and use all that to justify a harsher sentence. One can only hope…
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He was a former president. The prosecution would never have gone to trial without a watertight case.
Sure, but I still didn’t expect the jury to be unanimous and especially not on all counts. Glad they were though :-)
He’ll appeal.
Doesn’t mean he’ll get what he wants though
LOCK HIM UP
Conservative comments on this joyous event can be divided into three groups.
Group 1: how dare the government do this to our golden god!?
Group 2: this is good for Trump’s campaign for reasons
Group 3: the demonrats are going to say mean things about us
Note that none of these are “oh man, I might have been wrong to support him.” The complete absence of regret coupled with severe delusions around trump are more than slightly distressing in the long term.
For more details, google “trump ruling 34”
Do you guys think this matters to his voters/supporters?
Some undecideds, sure. It only takes ten thousand voters in a couple swing states to change the outcome.
I mean, that could have been the difference in the 2016 election.
Remember when Clinton lost the election because the FBI didn’t find anything on her assistant’s laptop?
I mean she could have spent a weekend in Michigan. That was an unforced error.
She could have addressed her relationship with Goldman Sachs, and all the other banks that fucked over the entirety of the American people during the housing crisis that she earned millions upon millions giving “speeches” to.
She could have made an olive branch to the progressive caucus.
She could have not said “Sit down and shut up” to BLM activists.
There are a lot of things she could have done.
She could have Pokemon gone to Michigan
Amazing 👏
She was too busy “just chilling” in Cedar Rapids
With hot sauce in her purse? 👛👜
That’s a trick question btw - the hot sauce is always in her purse! 😂
Or, like, hear me out, the Democrats could have not nominated her and nominated someone who isn’t strongly disliked by both sides.
Should’ve Been Bernie
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To be fair, we elected a Bush twice, and if Sirhan Sirhan hadn’t shot Bobby we’d have had two Kennedies to go along with the Roosevelts and Adamses
She could also not have stolen the fucking nomination from Sanders
I think she would’ve won regardless of everything else, but it would’ve been closer. Really the mistake from the primaries is that she didn’t really try to incorporate any of Bernie’s ideas into her platform, or even work with him at all. She treated him as an opponent and obstacle, not as a rival and peer.
This is where Biden was successful however – he didn’t dismiss Bernie nor his platform ideas. He did incorporate some into presidency, most obviously the climate change policies and student debt forgiveness where possible.
And where I sincerely believe this difference came down to – Biden was friendly to Bernie in the Senate and made an effort to be friendly colleagues, if not work friends. Clinton didn’t. It shows the power of cooperation allying together with progressives, instead of allying together with “moderate” Republicans.
Its fine though. The Supreme Court said they can rig their own primaries. /s
That’s all true, but she still would have won without the dramatic search of Huma Abadeen’s laptop.
You know I completely forgot about that laptop thing. I remember the emails but that is about it.
I dont think that moved anyone. Like I really dont. The laptop thing was only interesting to Trump die-hards.
Maybe, but it happened right before the election. I observed noticeable shift in attitude. That’s not good evidence, I know, but Clinton’s polls which had been steady, took a 3% dip at the time and stayed down through election day.
People talked about the polls being off compared to the election, but the election matched the post-Comey polls pretty well. It’s only the polls that mixed pre-Comey data that were too high for Clinton.
There were a lot of factors at play in 2016, and the margin was tiny. She had a lot of factors under her control that could’ve led to victory.
Voters decided against her for mishandling classified documents, right? So these same voters, who think things through with consistency and integrity, will decide against someone who stole boxes of documents and got CIA agents killed selling state secrets to Russia, right?
Trying to run for president while having two X chromosomes was a massive error on her part as well.
It blows my mind that anyone can still be undecided in 2024.
Lot of people don’t pay any attention to politics. Yes, even in this climate.
Everyone talks about his base as an unmoving monolith. But to get elected, he needs more than his base. He needs the fence sitters. Many of these people may be very ill informed about all the corruption in his original administration and his business dealings. This result will make a big difference to them because it’s simple to understand. He’s a convicted felon.
34 times no less.
This. There’s a lot of components to his base.
This is not a good outcome for his campaign.
To many of them, no. To some who would have voted for him, maybe yes.
There’s some evidence to suggest he’ll lose significant support: https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/48654-would-donald-trump-conviction-move-his-voters-evidence-from-past-present-bill-clinton-polls
But hard to know for sure.
I’m making a called shot of a drop into the 40’s for July’s polling.
He wont’ drop below 25%, ever. That’s his core. They may never support another candidate again.
However, dropping to high 30’s low 40’s only puts Trump back to par with Biden. Hardly a W, but at lease Biden would be back in the running.
They may never support another candidate again.
Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope.
I mean it in a “There are still people who think gamestop is going to be a billion dollar stock” manner.
See: https://lemmy.world/c/gamestopstock
Cult/ Cargo cult level “They will never support another candidate again” is what I mean. They’ll write him in. They’ll have wild conspiracy theories. Not need to push. It will happen it on its own.
I would guess its around 25-30% of Republican voters. Its the conspiracy theory mind-set cutting backwards against those that seed it. There is no undoing this.
If Donald could please just die and they continue writing in his name for all future votes that would be great. They are the most ignorant and racist people within a party wholly committed to cultivating ignorant and racist voters.
Thats what I’m conjecturing. This is the cohort that thought JFK was going to show up to some event or something a few months ago.
A few months ago? Jesus Christ, I remember that dumb shit from the numerology crew and I had kinda lost track of them for a couple of years. This country would be so much better if they would throw their ballots in the trash. Here’s hoping.
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I suspect some people will mental gymnastics themselves into thinking this isn’t a serious crime, and stipulating an abstract ‘serious crime’ yields more extreme results than we’ll see as a result of this verdict.
But a few percentage point swing in a few key states is enough to ensure a Biden victory, so it may be enough.
The fact of the matter is for a lot of white Americans it’s either support the republican nominee or those scary minorities will take over. To them, a white criminal is preferable to what they see as guliable saps at best or race traitors at worst.
That’s before Facebook and Fox News kicks in though.
They can rewrite people’s brains.
The end of the article after discussing the failure of the impeachment of Clinton to actually change polls despite a difference in the hypothetical poll question before it occurred:
“It’s possible for people to say a conviction would change their minds, but when/if [a conviction] happens, it’s possible (even likely) that it won’t matter at all."
I think “all 34 counts” is more meaningful than 33 out 34 or anything less.
Any truly room temperature IQ folks out there can maybe see the light. Maybe.
Anecdotal… we drove through rural Ohio a few weeks ago. In several hours of travel we only saw ONE trump sign. The same place in 2016 or 2020 would have been full of them. Regardless of the impact of this, the enthusiasm is dead. There might be “maga guys” on Twitter but they’re largely disengaged in real life.
If you sneak into their safe spaces online you can definitely tell they are unmotivated compared to 4-8 years ago.
They liked Trump because he bullied others publicly. They don’t want to side with the guy currently getting bullied, goes against their survival instinct.
I was just in South Arkansas for a few days, and only saw one flag, and no bumper stickers for trump
I drove there a few hours ago and saw like 4. But that’s definitely less than even last year
All the people in my development that had them up still have the signs from 2020 going strong… It’s still pretty split from talking with neighbors. One person near me is in business selling heavy equipment and they’re looking forward to trump because they feel they sell more equipment when republicans are in office. I guess that’s a viewpoint… For sure.
Wait… But Biden passed a massive infrastructure law. There’s a lot of people who could feel like he didn’t really do anything to improve their economic outlook, but a guy who sells heavy equipment shouldn’t be one of them.
Happened to me. We got one of those contracts and I got a pretty respectable raise
My gut feeling is there’s nothing in this world that will sway his core supporters. Those rabid mouth-breathing dumbass kool-aid drinking dipshits would disown their own children if they thought one of them voted for a democrat.
However, I think it could sway a lot of swing voters away from Trump. In American elections for POTUS, swing voters are extremely important.
Unfortunately, Biden is fucking up so bad on foreign policy (Gaza) that will lose Biden a lot of swing voters, too. Still anybody’s race is my guess.
This is just all my gut. It’s hard to trust polls anymore.
Swing voters either dgaf about Gaza or are in favor of what Israel is doing. Gaza hurts Biden with his base.
Anyone who gives a shit about Gaza probably should try to ensure the country doesn’t elect a Muslim Ban guy who wants to accelerate the genocide and deport anyone protesting it.
Fuck off to Nick Fuentes then.
FYI: Those leftists are right wing trolls under a false flag, exactly like those “Biden takes 100% blame for Israel’s every action” guys. They come from /pol and Telegram.
1 in 6 say it could change their mind https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/one-in-six-voters-say-trump-verdict-could-change-their-minds-ahead-of-tight-election-poll-finds/ar-BB1nl6y2
This matters to intelligent, educated, and critically-thinking people. So, no, it doesn’t matter to his sycophants.
Doubt it, but I don’t care. They are basically a cult at this point, no rational thought.
This matters to everyone else. And it could keep him from being president again.
It emboldens his supporters because they believe the “deep state”, “witch hunt”, “Democrats paid off the jury” etc according to social media now.
I could see Biden dropping out of the debate also saying “I don’t debate felons”.
I think a lot of his supporters are mostly burnt out on him. Even the hardliners are really just in this for the Wrestlemania storyline quality and this guy isn’t entertaining anymore, he just has legal bullshit around him, he says the same catchphrases all the time, he’s looking older and more haggard than we’ve ever seen, and conservatives are super fixated on superficial appearances.
I don’t think we’re “safe” by any means, but I think a lot of people are going to fall off and it might make a large difference.
I wish you were right. I live in Trumpistan and this will only make people like him more. The only way we can stop this madness is actually have him in an actual jail. Even then I’m not so sure.
They can only vote once. At least until Trump wins because from then on we’ll have elections Russia-style.
matter to them? yeah of course
Im expecting another insurrection soon…
Maybe this time the government will send riot police instead of doormen
Does it matter if it matters to them? They are beyond the pale since years.
I think this will only strengthen his core supporters because they’ll view him as a martyr. It might push away some people on the fence. But I think the martyrdom angle and the increased media spotlight could pull some people back in. Personally I think it probably won’t make a difference overall. All publicity is good publicity.
Some of them yes, some of them no.
Not many, but perhaps enough to make a difference in the handful of swing states.
Nah. I could see this actually being a positive to his brain-dead supporters.
Nope, it’s just going to be more proof that he’s the guy to take on the ‘deep state’ and so on in their minds.
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It emboldens them because he already painted himself the victim, the outsider. He literally called it a witch hunt.
Holy crap… Did you guys read the bottom bit about Georgia voters?
"Another man Bob, playing with his bluegrass band outside a café, was more sure. He wanted a positive outcome for Donald Trump and said a conviction would not change his mind. What would?
“If he was convicted of murder, I’d be like that’s not a guy I want to go for!” "
Not surprised, tbh, but I still find it ridiculous to read.
Good now that he’s a convicted felon he can’t run for president just like you can’t vote, right? …right? Fuck this system.
There are scenarios in which you’d support a felon running for office, it’s just this particular felon we have an issue with
No, I support keeping felons off the ballot because Republicans are the ones that stripped ex-cons of their right to vote.
How is a criminal voting more dangerous then becoming President? That was the right wing’s justification for taking away former inmates right to vote.
People with felonies shouldn’t have been disenfranchised. That is obviously wrong.
That doesn’t mean you should also do something that’s wrong in response. Just because at this particular moment there would be an advantage to felons being forbidden from going on the ballot, doesn’t mean that will always hold true in the future. What happens in 20 years when the Cop City protestors try to run for elected office and are forbidden because of the bullshit charges they incurred protesting?
People with felonies shouldn’t have been disenfranchised. That is obviously wrong.
Felon disenfranchisement did not become popular or widespread until after the Civil War. No points for guessing that the potion of the population also most like to be prosecuted for felonies just happen to be black men.
I’m not doing anything wrong. I’m keeping you accountable for the damage your side has already done. If you don’t like it why don’t you restore the voting rights of ex-cons and admit it was yet another way to subvert democracy by sealing votes away from people you know will not vote for you.
Buddy, I like to argue with conservatives too but you genuinely will not find any on Lemmy and I am certainly not one myself.
So we shouldn’t hold Trump and the GOP accountable now for some hypothetical in 20 years. In the meantime the GOP continues to win elections now and for years to come because of voter suppression?
It’s unrealistic that we will suddenly pass a law between now and November preventing felons from holding office. It could happen after that, but then it won’t be applied to Trump, it will be applied to people on the left.
Allowing a felon to run is a legitimate check and balance that the people can have against the government.
It allows for the people to correct someone convicted of a crime by an unjust law. It allows for correcting (actual) political persecution.
This is a healthy thing.
That said. Fuck disenfranchisement. Directly fix that.
two wrongs don’t make a right
Kindergarten platitudes don’t work in the real world.
Restricting people’s rights to make a point doesn’t either
So restore the rights of millions of people that you stripped away and not just your party toadie.
What makes you think I support that traitor? I just think your idea is bad
Sure felonies should be considered on a case by case basis, but there are many felons I’d have an issue with running for office, not just this particular one.
So, let them run and voters will decide?
I only have a problem with this one running because he’s the only one with a chance of winning
That’s not true. There are other felons with a chance at winning, they just haven’t been convicted yet.
Oh yeah? Who?
That’s good bait, but I’m still not taking it. I repeat my stance, felonies should be considered on a case by case basis, but there are many felons I’d have an issue with running for office, not just this particular one.
“Case by case” for political office is so obviously open to corruption you shouldn’t bother with it though, and felony definitions are already weaponized as they are between drugs and protest laws.
Hell, for that matter, isn’t a public record of convictions already your best version of a case by case system?
Each voter can decide which crime matters to them…
I’m probably more likely to vote for someone that caught a felony for protesting.
It’s not case by case, but crime by crime. It should be decided on a basis of rule of law as to which specific crimes, such as those reflecting character and not just a lapse in judgement.
Trump has many convictions reflecting on his character in this one trial.
Problem with that is you can’t attack someone’s character in court unless they try to use it as a defense so there’s no way that’s getting into the constitution in our lifetimes.
What’s the felony charge for protesting called?
weaponized
My state has a law on the books specifying Abuse of a Sports Official as a felony. As in, “Hey you, the umpire’s a bum.”
As you have observed, the situation has gotten quite out of hand.
Practically I think that all felons shouldn’t be able to run for office given the nature of the system. Ideally it would be case by case, but yes it would be corrupted and used by those in power to stop people from running. We either need to allow felons to vote and allow felons to run for president, OR do not allow felons to vote and do not allow felons to run for president. Right now the system makes no fucking sense.
So anyone who is caught with too much weed in a certain state?
Anyone who “resists arrest” at a protest?
No, fuck that. Felons should be able to vote and run for office, unless convicted of treason or insurrection.
Which Trump should be.
I read that he could be taken off the ballot in some places, but I haven’t verified that.
Eugene Debs ran for president from prison. He got 3.4% of the vote.
Fuck trump, but convicted felons have to be eligible for office to prevent abuse. If all it took was a felony, any opposition leader would just have some nonsense charges brought against them to make them ineligible.
This was also a key motivator of the war on drugs: criminalize the drugs that black people and anti-war protesters used, and they can be stripped of their voting rights.
I’ll personally donate $100 to the DNC (i’m poor leave me alone) if Hilary goes to every campaign stop chanting ‘lock him up’
