I’ve been telling people, if an admin defeds lemmygrad for some smarmy ass lying complete libshit reasons like Ada did, you should have 0 (zero) confidence that she or any other admin who does the same will be willing to engage y’all in good faith and actually work to change their instance, there isn’t a single reason to defed lemmygrad that couldn’t also be used to defed Hexbear for other than maybe lemmygrad is more sectatarian but that makes up maybe 1% of the content on our comms, or maybe that it’s not as outwardly pro-trans*, but then again it’s also the only instance in the threadiverse that I’m aware of that specifically makes you give your view on gender as part of it’s application to weed out transphobes before they can even make an account (I’m not even sure how many instances even still use applications).

Brigading? I’ve seen more links dropped in hexbear threads in the like 2 weeks y’all have been federated than I did in 3 months on lemmygrad

Trolling? Y’all literally have an emote of a fucking pig shitting on its own testicles, what trolling can lemmygrad even conjure to compare to that

“being ok with wishing death on the people of Nato” this is the most baffling one, y’all literally have an emote dedicated to this kind of comment that has a nuke symbol and says “Please, Xi” that’s used to say that the entirety of the west should be nuked and destroyed which is the exact same of comments made on lemmygrad just without the emote, and that’s just the ones that use that emote in particular.

It may look like I’m saying I told you so because, well, I am, I told you so. I would be extremely surprised if that shithead of a mod gets removed, I put it at about the same chances as blahaj refederating with lemmygrad (so never, lol).

*I’m sure lemmygrad could be better in some way about this, but at the same time 11% of our users were trans when we did a survey 2 months ago, which I hope means that it’s generally still a good, safe instance for our trans comrades (P.S. WE LOVE OUR TRANS COMRADES)

Edit: some further evidence of shit lib behavior, when she originally defederated lemmygrad it’s not like she put effort to remain federated like y’all did, she dropped 2 (two) comments deep in some random ass thread where she called us tankies, this person was never going to put in the same kind of effort that y’all were going to, forgot about this until after I made the post https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/501598 https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/501598 their instance is struggling so here’s a screenshot if you can’t load them

  • BlueMagaChud [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    I was looking forward to you doing an “I told you so” post, and you’re right to say it. It became clear that they’re mostly 196 funny-clown-hammer libs who intended to string us along for as many concessions as they could get before springing the inevitable defederation, so I’m glad our beautiful mods preempted them before those parasites could take much advantage of our good will.

  • Łumało [he/him]@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    I haven’t done anything, haven’t expected anything and yet I’m disappointed.

    And yeah, because our emoji game here on Lemmygrad is so lackluster I’ve mostly been using hexbear emojis. But because they are written in text, only hexbaristas can see them. Also yes, I remember all the emoji names I use by heart.

    Either way, I don’t really care lmao :rotato-chip:

    The only “problem” I have with federation is because you guys swarmed us so bad I see much less Lemmygrad posts xD. Even look at me! I’m more active on Hexbear lmao

  • SootyChimney [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    downbear Defederating with blahaj was the right move, but I don’t think federating with them and at least trying was the wrong move either. Our short federated time meant we got a lot of users make accounts here, and I think a lot of users who stayed are now hyper-aware of their troubling internal politics (one of the top comments in the ‘Hexbear defederated’ thread is ‘I’m concerned about 196’). If we never make efforts to outreach and talk with troubling libs, then we are doing absolutely nothing but preaching to ourselves.

    Finding libs on which to directly dunk is the closest posting comes to praxis.

    • kristina [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      i think trying was a good idea at least so that now the trans users of blahaj know there are other options out there. i strongly believe in trans unity and really wanted it to work out, but the fact is there are a ton of cis wreckers on blahaj making trans unity impossible with them. we’ve already seen many trans users of blahaj jump ship to here

    • ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.mlOPEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      but I don’t think federating with them and at least trying was the wrong move either.

      You’re arguing against a point that I didn’t make. https://hexbear.net/comment/3601741 here I am advocating for hexbear to federate with everyone with a blocklist instead of an allowlist, but my point was that it was a waste of time to try and please the blahaj admins (or any other shitlib admin), the rules hexbear set out at the beginning of federation were just fine.

      • SootyChimney [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
        0·
        1 year ago

        I don’t really get this response. I literally said

        I don’t think federating with them and at least trying was the wrong move

        and then you say

        You’re arguing against a point that I didn’t make … my point was that it was a waste of time to try

        Maybe we’ve just a crossed wire in communication here, but I very much think it was worth trying to get on with the admins, that it paid off in our favour and would have either way.

        • ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.mlOPEnglish
          0·
          1 year ago

          I guess I took it as you thought I was just saying that hexbear never should have federated with blahaj in the first place. I just disagree about contorting yourself trying to please shitlibs is all

  • a_talking_is2 [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    To me it wasn’t. I knew western libs. They were never real about it. They just built a “culture” around a limited number of left-wing issues that didn’t go against their core beliefs and now just keep being chauvinists.

  • loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    ELI Boomer: Why is 196 so popular and/or such a big thing? I understand that the rule says you should post something before leaving. But this results in typical meme community except the post titles are “rule” or a play on that word.

        • ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.mlOPEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          In the beginning, there was r/195

          it was started by some random dude in college that made the subreddit as a shitposting community specifically for people in the dorm, which had the number “195” on it. It eventually escaped its intended audience and massively grew in popularity, and the rule was that you had to post before you leave, and so it just became an incredibly random shitpost subreddit.

          Eventually, the original creator decided he didn’t want to deal with actually moderating it anymore since it was never actually intended to grow that popular, and so he shut it down much to the dismay of its users. So, r/196 was created to replace it (because 195+1=196).

          It’s unclear to me if it was originally like this or just became this way over time, but r/196 became one of the most pro trans places on reddit. However, it had a scourge brewing. Slowly but surely, it began to be taken over by chasers and just general hornyposting, and just generally by V*ushites with all the “ebil tankie!?!?” posting, because teenagers overwhelmingly used that place and that’s the kind of discourse you might expect to see when a place is overwhelmingly used by teenagers, so r/19684 was created to purge the hornyposting which got rid of a lot of the chasers as well.

          So, what seperates these subs from a general meme sub? Not that much, other than because of the circumstances of their creation they’re far more trans-inclusive and less outright reactionary than the the meme subs you normally see on reddit like r/memes or r/dankmemes, But also generally the posting is generally even more derivative and more unhinged on places like r/196 than like r/memes because r/memes at least attempts to put some guidelines forth about quality control but there’s nothing like that in the r/195 style places.

          Hope that helps

          • beef_curds [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            Yeah, it was weird watching r/196 turn from a place that would call out V to a place that had unironic V stan posts. Initially the red scare stuff seemed pretty sparse but grew over time, and is worse on the Lemmy side than on the sub even.

            I’m just wondered if it was the result of moderation changes, or population shifts. Could just be V-ites moving into the place. I swear in the last few years though, there seems to be a conscious effort to move trans communities out actual leftist thinking into liberal thinking. It could just be driven by fear around SCOTUS and state level politics in the US, but it just seems like such a marked shift.

            • silent_water [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              another user commented that the change happened virtually overnight and within two weeks it was a totally different place. smells like fed shit.

              • beef_curds [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
                2·
                1 year ago

                yeah, it was pretty quick. Felt organized, but that could be a lot of things. DNC outreach ops to influencers, who nudge viewers, who move into spaces in an organized way could look the same.

                Doesn’t matter really how it happened, so who cares? Even if it’s completely organic, it means leftists were out organized by some sort of liberal. It doesn’t take much organizing to influencing to change small spaces and libs are apparently doing the work that we aren’t. And it’s not limited to 196.

          • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            Slowly but surely, it began to be taken over by chasers and just general hornyposting

            This is the nonsilly reason for the volcel-police posts on Hexbear.

            • VOLCEL_POLICE [it/its]@hexbear.netBEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              The VOLCEL POLICE are on the scene! PLEASE KEEP YOUR VITAL ESSENCES TO YOURSELVES AT ALL TIMES.

              نحن شرطة VolCel.بناءا على تعليمات الهيئة لترويج لألعاب الفيديو و النهي عن الجنس نرجوا الإبتعاد عن أي أفكار جنسية و الحفاظ على حيواناتكم المنويَّة حتى يوم الحساب. اتقوا الله، إنك لا تراه لكنه يراك.

              volcel-police

            • ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.mlOPEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              I should mention there’s more lore that I’ve never bothered to look into, like why is there a r/197? don’t really know, and I’ve already put too much time browsing through threads trying to piece together answers while reddit logoors do that annoying shit where they think they’re comedy geniuses for giving joke replies to people asking serious questions and then never actually giving an answer, maybe I wouldn’t mind spending more time looking all this up because internet lore like this is kinda fun to read about, if reddit logoors stopped being such dorks and making it so much harder than it needs to be. I know there have been like mod team overthrows on r/195 related subreddits when ML’s try to make their own versions of those subs, and then overthrowing modteams in response, etc. etc.

              I know @[email protected] has been pretty involved with moderating a lot of ML subreddits over the years so I bet she might know more about that specific drama that I’m talking about

              • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
                2·
                1 year ago

                I honestly know very little about the behind the scenes of 196. Their group is insular and has never participated in almost any of the common backrooms, and I’ve not been personally involved in any dramas related to them so. shrug-outta-hecks

                My understanding of 195 was just that they closed after getting to a certain subscriber number.

                Sorry I can’t be of more help. I basically gave up on the space due to anticommunism, any space with anticommunism has always become fash-adjacent, it’s just a matter of time. So I didn’t waste my time with any of it.

    • ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.mlOPEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      I didn’t mean to say every hexbear user, but I myself have been a little shocked by how many hexbear users seemed on board with bending backwards for blahaj

  • forcequit [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    0·
    1 year ago

    idk Ada seemed to genuinely be trying. The comm specific mod yeah sure they can eat the poop off the pigs balls, but idk it feels like the admin was put between a rock and a hard place kinda.

    Yeah yeah libshit this and that, but were it not for 196 I’d imagine hexbear would still be federated, and 'grad would never have been defederated in the first place? Maybe I’m giving them too much credit but again, I saw nothing of concern from Ada that couldn’t be attributed to having rabid anticommunists in her ear

    • ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.mlOPEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      https://hexbear.net/comment/3769480

      yeah this doesn’t seem that genuine to me. Also, what rock and hard place? just remove the mod for fuck’s sake, it’s not that hard? and is complaining about wish to death to NATO seriously not bother you? Idk, why even give her any benefit of the doubt in this situation? She certainly didn’t seem to deem it necessary to try and work something out with lemmygrad (at least I’m unaware of any communications between her and the lemmygrad admin team) instead of just quietly defederating when she first did it months ago, she basically just announced it buried deep in a thread 2 months ago https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/496688 https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/501598 and called us tankies, she’s an anticommunist radlib at best

      • CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        0·
        1 year ago

        If she’d reached out to us my response would have been that we’d have to reply to Ada, then Ada would have to reply to us, and then we’d get into an incessant back-and-forth with each of us having to reply to the other. It would be much more to the point to say that Ada is a traitor to the working class and everyone would understand.

        • ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.mlOPEnglish
          0·
          1 year ago

          my response would have been we would have to reply to Ada

          could you clarify the transition I’m a little confused what you’re saying here. Good to know that she really did put 0 effort in trying to remain federated though which reinforces my point lol