Things that are so obvious and ingrained that no one even thinks about them.
Here’s a few:
All US americans can go to Mexico EASILY. You’re supposed to have a passport but you don’t even need one (for car/foot crossing). Versus, it’s really hard for Mexicans, who aren’t wealthy, to secure a VISA to enter the US. I’m sure there are corollaries in other geo-regions.
Another one is wealthy countries having access to vaccines far ahead of “poor” countries.
In US, we might pay lip service to equal child-hood education but most of the funding pulls from local taxes so some kids might receive ~$10000 in spending while another receives $2000. I’m not looking it up at the moment, but I’m SURE there are strong racial stratas.
cop shows
The way the beginning of the Ukraine war was treated.
DAE le savage ruzzian orcs never seen toilets before??
Human wave attacks were used in a desperate attempt to capture a Ukrainian asphalt plant. Russian scientists had never successfully figured out how to produce the material themselves. From returning soldiers the rest of the population was learning about paved roads for the first time and becoming restive. The leadership was feeling tremendous pressure.
not hyperbole I literally saw this
I’m trying to channel Anne Applebaum.
beyond parody. all possible jokes have already happened
Damn. I can’t put my feelings into words. There’s so much ambient disdain for Russia, and all the various peoples that live there, but no one can bother to know or remember anything about the place.
All the boomers around me watched the USSR get destroyed on live TV. I know this because I saw it too. But as recently as a couple weeks ago I had to listen to someone loudly and confidently expressing themselves and they had actually forgotten that the Soviet Union doesn’t exist anymore. Also, when they watched the parliament building getting shelled you can see the streets are paved.
I heard someone my age joking about how terrible it would be to fight drunk Chechens in Ukraine, and I had to point out that most Chechens are Muslim, so they’re probably not drinking much.
It goes on and on, and you’re right, it’s beyond parody. I hate these people.
Funny, the last welcome they got to the free world was the all-time historical life expecancy drop that came with the evisceration of their entire society
By Russian state media?
I’m talking about libs and neocons Americans gleefully sharing combat footage of Russians and Ukrainians fighting, with Russians often on the receiving end of molotovs, bombs, javelins and shit; I personally find war footage disgusting and abhorrent and war is often fought between working class people brainwashed or conscripted into fighting wars on the behalf of oligarchs. . The way major companies pulled out of Russia and refused to service russian citizens, without actually being prompted by the United States. The way that every single company - even ones with zero connection or influence were like “we stand with ukranians in this trying time”.
Compare that to today and Palestinians.
One very normalized thing that always infuriates me is the way news headlines report on major disasters. It’s always “Plane crashes in China, TWO AMERICANS DEAD”, “Nuclear explosions blows up populated city, four Britons confirmed missing”, like bitch all the people on that plane and in that city were valuable humans with valuable lives, not just people with the same colour passport as me.
Every time a local news channel covers a Black criminal (or even the idea of Black criminals, or hell, any Black person who can somehow be construed to be some sort of miscreant), they’re uniformly called a “thug” in every comment. Yeah it’s just self-censorship for the n word
When a mayo says, “Meritocracy”, they actually mean, “Every form of systemic oppression and violence ever conceived”.
The people in charge are the most deserving of power. As such, they can redefine “deserving of power” to mean whatever they want.
referring to northwest eurasia as a “continent”
Everyone pets Lalafells without permission.
Joking aside, the way people treat the British as experts because of their accents.
How immigrants from Europe/Americas are “expats” in developing nations. How Euro-American immigrants gentrify the neighborhoods and country they’re in, treating the local populace as NPC servants to their narcissism and wealth.
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The Lalafells need to stop running up to me and tapping my leg because they will never know the thinness of the air that my Viera’s ears exist in on the daily then
Eh the expats thing is more about whether you intend to stay long term/make an effort to assimilate.
British guys who have been in Hong Kong for 20 years are expatriates. Chinese people who moved to Hong Kong 10 years ago are immigrants.
If said British Guy has a kid, he’s not raising the kid to speak Cantonese and he’s gonna be sending it to some special “international school” segregated from the locals. Mainlanders in Hong Kong are Chinese people living in China. Anyone who calls them an immigrant is a liberal white supremacist. On the flip side some Russian family that’s been in Heilongjiang for 3 generations isn’t going to be called expat or immigrant, they’re ethnic minority Chinese living in their own country.
It’s a legacy of colonialism. Europeans came to China as colonists, and just as they did elsewhere, did not and will not consider assimilating. An expat is simply a colonist who has failed in his attempt to eradicate the local culture. I will bet you actual money your hypothetical British guy speaks poor Chinese (if at all) and spends his spare time posting about how he wants to genocide our language and eliminate our writing system. I’ve met so many of these people. A great many of them are open white supremacists. I won’t call these people immigrants because they aren’t immigrants, and the word expat should remain as a term of contempt for these people that should not transfer to actual immigrants.
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We done played the uno reverse card on the fucking crackers
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Acting like the US is the only country with diversity and treating every other nationality in North America that isn’t Canada like a race.
Some people realize that the US is very big and lots of people immigrated to it, so of course it’s a very diverse place but can’t apply the same logic to China, Russia, India or Brazil.
to be fair, our education system teaches that everyone emigrated from those places; however, the one i can’t understand or be fair about is canada.
The passport thing was no longer the case when I went there in 2016ish. It used to be you could go about 15 miles into Mexico without a passport but when I last went in 2016, you had to have one just to cross in to Mexico, and they were inspecting the heck out of it, and visa was required to go more than a certain distance or stay. A lot of poor Americans live south of the border in San Diego area because it’s all they can afford. Mexico was pissed at Trump and changed the rules.
I like your last point on the tax thing, that’s so BS the way that money isn’t equal per student. It should be state wide equal property tax and state-wide equal per student.
Ive walked into Mexico from San Diego without a passport in the last couple years, you can slip the guard a $20 to go without passport lol.
I haven’t left my country in so long, I’m curious about living near border regions (not aspirationally, though i would like to travel one day). I’m almost on an island within an island
This one gets me mad, but just the base assumption that our Asian comrades and homies are inherently good at STEM. To this day I still hear people that Asian dudes are good at math as if it were a profession passive bonus in a game. It’s just so other-ing to me. It’s just kinda one of those racists stereotypes that I wish died away.
Good thing we’ve got Andrew Yang trying to build a political career around keeping that stereotype alive.
Andrew Yang is a trailblazer breaking tropes because he’s actually very stupid
a true trailblazer
Exactly! It’s so slimey, like bro why would you want to play into that? Why make it harder for other people like you so you can get what? Some votes?
It’s just plainly racist and gross, and I think it’s uniquely gross towards Asian men as if they don’t already have enough weirdo racist tropes they have to deal with. I say this is a black man, i feel for them
“Violence isn’t the answer” regarding Palestine
i’m sure the savage arabs haven’t heard of non-violence thanks for letting them know. It’s just weird eugenicist shit, because these white people would also be violent had they been born under the conditions of colonial subjugation
The ENTIRE fucking reason America claims it was allowed to exist is that George Fucking Washington and his associates were SUFFICIENTLY OPPRESSED by the British government, to the point where it became permissible to fire 70 caliber lead balls into soldiers skulls.
But black and brown people should just fucking take it I guess
Not to mention, the american revolution happened because the settlers wanted to keep their slaves, keep expanding their colonies and genociding indigenous people, and didn’t want to pay taxes on shit. And it’s permissible and noble for them to revolt under those conditions
Meanwhile it’s bad when Palestinians rise up when they have been refugees and ethnically cleansed for 75 years
That happened a long time ago! We’re so much more sophisticated now (no we’re not just pulling the ladder up after ourselves).
This also goes with the States. we learned about MLK jr. a lot in school and he “peacefully protested.” But we weren’t taught much about Malcolm X or Fred Hampton because they were “violent thugs”.
We weren’t taught that King was a socialist but some classes called Malcolm X and Hampton socialist or communist. Which rolled into how the Black Panthers were “a violent gang” instead of a group of inner city poor people doing mutual aid for impoverished neighborhoods and poor schools.
They didn’t even like MLK back when he was alive.
This is a classic cartoon lol.
I’m actually reading Jesus and John Wayne and a lot of evangelicals tried to use him as one of their guys alongside Lincoln and other clearly not conservatives. It’s more crazy because as I read this book a ton of it echoes what we have going on currently in the evangelical groups around the country.
Reglious or not, I think it’s worth a read so far.
Meanwhile groups like the Italian mobsters get glorified.
Not if I have anything to say about it.
When anyone tells you violence isn’t the answer, they are either ignorant non-thinkers or they are trying to manipulate you. Throughout the history of the world, violence has always been the answer. This place sucks.
because these white people would also be violent had they been born under the conditions of colonial subjugation
Gestures at the American War of Independence
And that was just the diet version of colonial subjugation.
And Palestinians never tried non violent resistance no just want to kill kill kill
Sure would be embarrassing for libs if there was some sort of Great March of Return within the last 5 years where civilian protests were shot with live ammo.
They got brain-washed by a combination of comfort and “peaceful” eastern religious influence by the likes of Gandhi.
“Violence isn’t the answer” period.
It’s fine to systematically oppress and destroy people slowly in a system designed to harness their survival drive to sacrifice their labor value but if those people realize what’s happening and fight back it’s unacceptable.
Also the whole idea of people saying “violence is never the answer” ignoring the entirety of human nature and calling into question why every single nation has a military.
Violence is pretty much always the answer (in an organized, strategic manner. No
)It’s a pretty common assumption that if people act antisemitic while fighting back against an oppressor, their struggle should be discarded and condemned by the international community. Thoughts?
How tf is running around your car a fire drill, and what do the Chinese have to do with it?
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Sigh… I was hoping it was something innocent, maybe an “egg corn”/acorn situation. But alas, it’s racism all the way down. Smh
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It’s not limited to racial hierarchies and fetishes, either. There are many videos upholding other unjust hierarchies as well, like landlords, cops, business owners, etc.
Fr scrolling some of these titles makes me
Treating the usian “founding fathers” as democracy-loving freedom fighters
Their deification in general gets on my nerves. Everything they’ve ever said or written is treated as infallible words of god and nobody may ever dispute them.
I suppose the British considered them to be rebels, insurrectionists, or maybe even terrorists. It’s all a matter of perspective isn’t it?
The British press and government explicitly called them terrorists.
But the other side of it is just as laughable. Whenever the framers of the constitution wrote about what they were trying to do, they would endlessly hand-wring about how bad it would be for everyone to have a say in government. They thought only rich land-owning men had proved themselves worthy to hold power. You know, them and all their friends. The american “revolution” had more in common with a coup than any sort of real liberatory movement.
It’s like Bezos and Elon being the “founding fathers” of an independent US West Coast, nothing revolutionary about it.
Well it was still a step in the right direction, distributing power a bit more locally instead of living as a colony under a monarchical foreign power. You may also recall that initially they went too far in decentralizing power before the Constitution replaced the articles of confederation. Even then voting rights were mostly decided by each state, some allowing non land owners and even free black men (though sometimes later removing that right) to vote pre 1800s. Whatever they may have discussed, voting and ability to participate in government was enjoyed by over half of the citizens, which is a significant improvement over the foreign tyrant they had previously. But regardless of how the British tried to label colonial rebels, and regardless of how much the rebels didn’t get right, I’m on the side of the historical revolutionaries.
revolutionaries
Calling the founding fathers ”revolutionaries” belongs in this thread.
I would love to know your opinion of the CPC within this context. You have made it clear that you support American revolutionaries if only because their system was ostensibly better than the one that came before. What about Chinese revolutionaries?
Hmm, interesting question. That depends if you think that the society they have now is better than the one preceding? The two situations aren’t entirely analogous since one involved separation from a foreign power while the other involved dismantling of the old culture and society in order to make a brand new one. I think that China is more powerful now than they would be otherwise, had they not gone through their cultural revolution, but it came at a great cost where centuries of culture was destroyed. I don’t think it was worth it, but that’s also easy for me to say because I don’t live there and because my perception is certainly skewed by Western perspectives. I think they lost something of great value with how the cultural revolution played out and the Chinese people are irrecoverably different as a result. Makes me a little bit sad, but we can’t change the past, so it doesn’t really matter.
You think “destroying centuries of culture” outweighs abolishing extreme poverty, ending feudalism in a country of more than a billion, redistributing land to the peasantry, taking the country from a cycle where every few years millions would die in a famine to being an economic super power, leading the world in space age scientific progress?
I couldn’t even be bothered to engage once they tried to imply that the Chinese revolution didn’t involve separation from a foreign power. what was the Shanghai International Settlement? they sure don’t know, maybe it was a floor wax or a dessert topping.
Also the environment was devastated and hundreds of thousands (if not millions) died. Also how do you feel about China’s current treatment of indigenous Tibetans? Maybe you should take off your red colored glasses and look around.
I always get a kick out of how silly they were and how bad at designing governments they ended up being. Like you pointed out their first attempt was a shitshow, and when you read the federalist papers he outright says the entire plan is for there to be no political parties, if we get those it won’t work and we’ll all be fucked.
And yet as soon as King George relinquished the presidency we had a two party system, in fact the Constitution more or less makes a two party system inevitable. And it has no provisions for the legislature being unable to legislate etc, basic stuff that the British had already had to solve with their Parliament.
And yet they’re supposed to be these incredible architects of a genius system of intricate checks and balances.
I consider them both to be colonialist, genocidal freaks deserving only of a pit
if I hold you in chains and whip you for not picking cotton fast enough for me, would that just be a “matter of perspective” you smug liberal?
Lol what are you even talking about? How does that relate to my comment?
since you’re confused let’s trace the entire context of the conversation from the thread title down to here.
Question: What are some obvious racist and chauvinist things that are totally normalized?
Answer (from wombat): Treating the usian “founding fathers” as democracy-loving freedom fighters
Statement (from you): I suppose the British considered them to be rebels, insurrectionists, or maybe even terrorists. It’s all a matter of perspective isn’t it?
Question (from me): if I hold you in chains and whip you for not picking cotton fast enough for me, would that just be a “matter of perspective” you smug liberal?
Since the hegemonic perspective of the founding fathers in the US is that they’re democracy-loving freedom fighters, it doesn’t really matter what the British thought. We’re discussing the normalized racism and chauvinism of worshiping a bunch of slave owning proto-bourgeois settler-colonialists. It’s not just a matter of perspective. The shit they did to people had real material consequences. Hence my question to you which you didn’t answer: if I hold you in chains and whip you for not picking cotton fast enough for me, would that just be a “matter of perspective” you smug liberal? That is. If you were actually treated by me the way the founding fathers treated people, would it still be this vague “matter of perspective” or would you be justified in despising me?
If I were a slave, I would probably be less concerned about who exactly is holding the whip, and more so the fact that I was getting whipped. Whether the colonists were considered terrorists or some kind of freedom fighters would be largely irrelevant to me in that case, despite that perspective mattering a great deal to the rest of the world at the time and even still to this day.
I would probably be less concerned about who exactly is holding the whip, and more so the fact that I was getting whipped
John Brown, Nat Turner, and The Haitian revolutionaries would tell you that those two concerns are identical since the latter concern provides you with your target in regards to how to bring about a real material change in the former concern. If you are a slave, and you want to stop being whipped, you run away. But if you want everyone else to stop getting whipped as well, you fight the slave owners. That is how slavery ended in the United States after all. War with the slave power.
So do you think that slavery would have ended sooner if the American revolution never happened? Do you think there was any net benefit to humanity as a result of the American revolution? Is it possible for good men to do bad things or does bad things make them bad people?
If the guy whipping me was deified and seen as a paragon of a man I’d be fucking livid
Sometimes it’s more about what that person symbolizes. Take George Floyd for instance. By almost any metric he was not a good person, but he didn’t deserve to die, and the way that he died became a symbol, a representation of an entire people who have seen injustice at the hands of the police. George Floyd is practically a saint in the eyes of many, despite all his flaws as a person. So why not the founding fathers?
This is true. I wonder what the Iroquois thought of George Washington
“I got jipped” or however it’s spelled. We say it all the time in America, but a euro transplant informed me that it’s basically a slur for gypsies.
FYI the best term for the ethnic group is Roma.
True. Gypsy itself is a slur too, right? Sorry, idk much and European bigotry aside from the meme where Europeans scold us for being a racist country, then turn around and say they want to exterminate the Roma.
Yeah, but IIRC it’s also a situation like indian/native american where sometimes people prefer one term or the other. Like anything else I suppose, never lead with it but if someone corrects you just roll with it.
I learned sorta recently that while some people prefer American Indian there are a ton of people who consider Indian to be something like the soft n word, as in some Native Americans might say it a lot but others shouldnt say it, so people should be careful about not stepping on that.
The groups I’m in avoid the entire issue by saying indigenous. Indigenous peoples were of many nations that were crushed in the genocide of manifest destiny and the not even given American citizenship until the 1920s. Even then, they’ve been repeadly fucked by the government who has so rarely honored any part of the multitude of treaties we have with the various indigenous nations.
I like the Canadian term of “first Americans”. It’s not racialized and seems more respectful (not that Canada is at so respectful to them). But it does still highlight the fact that they were so well erased from American history that a blanket term is used for the multitude if ethnicities and nations that were here first.
First Nations is acceptable but First Americans still uses a settler colonial name to describe people of indigenous nations. (America was named after an Italian Explorer, not exactly anything indigenous about that word).
Oh shit, good to know.
There are a few acceptable exceptions like “gypsy jazz” but other than those it should have considered a slur.
Yeah I think so. We have a lot of great threads on Roma culture in Hexbear, I’d recommend checking them out because their culture is really cool. I especially love Romani architecture.
Seriously, check out these sick palaces!
Those look rad. Like someone was building a traditional European house and half way up got bored and decided to finish it as a Chinese pagoda.
hope rozako is alright, she hasn’t posted here in a yearHoly shit it’s like the majestic sprawl of a plantation house with none of the vile malevolence of southern settler whites
Those are often used in Eastern Europe as racist proof of “Look, they’re not actually poor and oppressed! They’re rich! And they steal from us! So it’s okay to hate them.”
Wow those buildings are fire. I want to add them to C&C now. I am in love with the roof
Thank you !
And they always try to defend this position by saying “But it’s different with gypsies- they really do live up to their stereotypes!” while simultaneously faking for support for BLM from abroad.
This is official too. It was decided at the world Roma congress in the 1970s that this is the name they wanted to go by as a community.
When I grew up I never thought anything about where the term jipped ( maybe it’s spelled gypped? ) came from, but after hearing jew used as a verb in the same context got me thinking about where the term came from. Not all epiphanies feel good.
I thought it was a reclamation of the phrase, kind of like “Jerry rigged”
Always pay close attention to the epiphanies that don’t feel good
The term “g*psy” being used casually, in a way simply used to just talk about the Roma people, and it being the only term most people know for them, is also another racist thing that’s normalized.
It’s also abysmally ignorant. Roma have been in Europe for centuries, but they originally migrated from India. It was assumed by medieval Europeans that they were from Egypt, because Egypt is in the Bible, and India isn’t, so they all knew about Egypt. So they called the the G-slur as a proxy of “Egyptian”
For centuries the word used in Danish for Romas and travellers (why be precise about who we’re talking about?) was “Tatars”. People didn’t know shit about where the Romas came from but Crimea sounded like an exotic place so why not pretend that this is where these exotic people came from? An example of the use of this world is the 1665 legal code that bans “Jews and Tatars” from the country.
It’s so normalized that they use it all the time in kids cartoons over here.
Oh yeah. I remember learning about this one. Living in America, I don’t think a lot of us are aware of Roma people, and thus don’t know it’s a racial slur.
I blame Notre Dame. That movie made me think it was more of like a job description like a traveling merchant. I didn’t know it referred to a group of people until I had internet.
