• Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    funny-clown-hammer seriously disgusting and like I feel embarassed for non Zionists. Pulling this Holocaust card anyone tries to hold them to account - just fuck all the way off.

    Who is holding concentration camps? Who is denying an entire race of people equal rights? Who is doing all the shit Nazis did? Who is doing a genocidal ethnostate? Yeah Never Again take Israel seriously.

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          "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. "

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            8 months ago

            Another Sarte quote I find relevant in these times is “In order to treat a man like a dog you must first know that he is a man.”

            Israel is fully aware they are waging an inhumane campaign before the Gaza bombings even started.

            • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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              It’s pretty much always relevant these days. Both for explaining how the discourse is going, and for personally remembering that the person you’re arguing probably knows that whatever they’re saying is supporting murder and genocide and they’re just completely okay with that but playing a role to gain sympathy from people who aren’t.

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    As a non-Jewish person who HAS studied, fairly in depth, definitely way more than most Americans (and apparently Israelis too based on comments in last weeks/years), I find this cynical usage of the utter destruction of a people and political opponents (because it’s important to remember Nazis hated Jews for racial reasons but hated socialists and communists for their ideology and they came for the leftists first) to be just, truly, beyond words and expression horrific.

    This display trivializes, downplays, and makes a joke of something that, again, a lot of people do not understand the depths of. When I sit here typing this and I remember the quotes from German Nazis and collaborators post-war speaking frankly of the atrocities they participated in, and I mean the stuff they talk about… I don’t even like re-typing it. I spend a lot of time thinking of the images formed in my head when I first read those accounts and that was years ago! Most of the images are of the eastern front, in the Baltic countries, where the villagers would happily provide names and locations of the local Jewish families and sometimes even did the genocide before the “special” SS commandos dispatched to murder Jews en masse even showed up. I mean, this is peering into one of the most bleak darknesses humanity has ever allowed.

    And this man and his associates, supported, one has to assume, by his government, is using the persecution and the destruction of these people, his relatives, to perpetuate a modern duplication of the atrocities which give readers some level of PTSD to even read, much less experience or hear from family members.

    Israel and its supporters are a disgrace to humanity and they actively damage the memories of all the lives lost because of the evils of fascism and specifically Naziism for this discussion. Unfortunately, I know that this is actually much of the underlying point for these right wing types. They don’t want people to remember that socialists were despised and murdered by Nazis as well because that might make people realize which side was fighting the Nazis from the start and that it might be ridiculous to paint that side as anti-Semitic ie the same as the Nazis.

    Zionism is anti-Semitism Zionists and Israel do not and will not ever represent all Jews The crimes of Israel are not the crimes of Jews. They are the crimes of men like Bibi and this asshole and all who support him, all who contribute to the ongoing genocide of Palestinians, and those who support it from afar like nearly the entire US government. Every Israeli citizen, American, Canadian, British, French, German, etc. should all be ashamed it’s been allowed to continue and get to this point. It’s our moral duty to do everything we can to end this insanity. I have no faith in people like this man or Biden, but I have some faith left that average people who see crushed children will join in demanding an end to this shit if they know others will stand beside them. If this isn’t something that motivates people to actually do something about our government(s) in the western world then we truly are lost to the darkness and deserve to be destroyed.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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      The role of the UN is largely performative. It exists as much to rally various countries to independent action as to create global consensus.

      So the Israelis show up in striped pajamas and grease paint on their faces, while insisting that every living Gaza resident is another Tomás de Torquemada, and a bunch of American press agents film them in sepia while playing violin music. And then Congress green lights $14B in anti-Palestinian nerve gas while the sea otters on cable news clap.

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      Loudly yelling at the UN gives them a platform to demonstrate how strong and resolute they are in the face of all the anti-semites in the world who want to kill them because they’re Jews doing Jewish stuff. It’s political theater for their supporters at home.

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    This is the most horrific seen I’ve seen in at least 10 minutes, which is coincidentally the last time I saw a live post from Gaza.