Too obvious to be funny, but i still wanted to draw a shitpost.

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    I was just thinking about how many lins are 100% convinced that if you try to provide universal public housing to everyone you must also do a bunch of genocides and have one spy per person in your society and have no food.

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        I think he misspelled lib.

        Btw what we mean by liberals is the original political term for those who support capitalism, not the colloquial American synonym for Democrat that alt-right types use. Conservative and libertarians are also liberals strictly speaking because they also subscribe to the same basic underlying ideology.

        Edit: quoting the relevant part

        In Europe and Latin America, liberalism means a moderate form of classical liberalism and includes both conservative liberalism (centre-right liberalism) and social liberalism (centre-left liberalism). In North America, liberalism almost exclusively refers to social liberalism.

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          Conservative and libertarians are also liberals strictly speaking because they also subscribe to the same basic underlying ideology.

          maybe-later-kiddo maybe-later-honey biden-rember warren-snake-green the-democrat shapiro-gavel liberty-weeping How can you say such a thing! There’s a full 16pt difference in our preferred tax rates and we still can’t agree on the exact specifications of the worker visa program for illegal residents

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            Old joke, the Soviet Union could’ve avoided collapse if instead of having one official state party, they had two, and they agreed on absolutely everything except abortion.

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              There’s actually a lot to be said about the concept of “competitive” (not necessarily democratic) elections and how they increase the stability of a political system by shifting people’s perceptions of what is wrong, that’s part of what Fritz Bartel talks about in “The Triumph of Broken Promises”, the neoliberal period imposed extremely harsh conditions on people but everybody went along in the end because they felt that they had a choice in the matter (lol) meanwhile the eastern block states wanted to try doing austerity but they knew the people would never stand for it.

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            Hey I just wanted to stop in and say thanks for being patient, the whole terminology thing around ideologies is one of the more confusing barriers to entry into leftist thought but you’re working thru it like a champ

            You’ve already been linked the Wikipedia definition which is super helpful but I’m gonna paste the first bit again because it’s worth reading more times, for fluent lefties as well:

            Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law. Liberals espouse various views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion, constitutional government and privacy rights.

            Based on this, all democrats and pretty much all republicans and libertarians are liberals, and that’s on purpose. This is what we mean when we throw punches at “libs” - we all believe that some of these qualities are good, but libs believe that all of these things are good - we don’t terribly like things like “equality before the law” (it’s just as bad for Jeff Bezos to steal a loaf of bread from a supermarket as it is for a houseless person), “freedom of the press/speech” (your freedom of the press is legally endowed on you just as it is to Elon Musk or Rupert Murdoch even though their actual freedom of the press is millions of times what yours is because they own billion dollar news and speech platforms), “right to private property” (you have the right to own dozens of resort properties just like Donald Trump does), etc. Liberalism - democrat, Republican, and libertarian - is built on the idea that everyone can use dollars and power and status to exercise their rights to whatever degree they want to, and one of our biggest reasons for calling them out under their shared umbrella of liberalism is that they all share the same fallacious worldview that allows people with more dollars to have more fundamental enshrined rights, and even though people with very few dollars can’t actually exercise any of their fundamental enshrined rights, liberals pretend they have the same rights just because they could exercise them if they had more money.

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              Gotcha. Thanks for the additional information. Politics can get muddy real fast, and terms can be abused or misused to create confusion.

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                that’s why we stick to the definitions used globally and historically and avoid the colloquial usage. culture changes but history is already written.

          • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net
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            Not really, terms should be historically constituted and there is a serious amount of self-codification among liberal theorists that makes the term extremely useful

            There are only eight subspecies of liberalism that actually matter to real world politics, and they cover everything between anarcho-capitalists to DNC blue no matter who libs

            Classical liberalism, utopian liberalism, social liberalism, neoliberalism, ordoliberalism, dirigisme, siege liberalism, and the mutated step-child fascism, these are the actual differentiations among the defenders of capitalism

            There is only confusion on this matter because utopian, social and neo liberals successfully appropriated a mountain of socialist and anarchist lingo and incoherently applied it to themselves. I don’t blame them, liberalism is deprived of any genuine vision of human progress or solidarity, it wears the liberatory spirit of anti-capitalist ideologies like a carnival mask and as a result millions of potential radicals end up confused as to where they stand in the struggle over capitalism

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            It’s a problem. Libertarians stole “libertarian” for the Anarchists. “Liberal” now means you want to paint a rainbow on the bomb. People think “Conservatism” is a real thing but Nazis aren’t. Most people have no idea what Anarchism, Communism, or Socialism actually entail, let alone the enormous breadth of thouaght across the length.

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        I don’t know about what they were saying exactly but we did have someone come in earlier and start by calling us intolerant tankies and then have a meltdown over some of our non binary users using neopronouns, I can find the link if you want it

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              I see. Well, I guess that’s the problem with a federated social media system. Rules for the entire system, with identical subs, and never really knowing where you are.

              What’s this hexbear instance about?

                  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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                    Yes for sure. If you mean actual democratic socialist ideology, like Evo Morales, Allende or Nelson Mandela, then yes. Hexbear is a left wing unity website.

                    If you mean social democracy, such as the Nordic/Scandinavian countries, then probably not. Though you’re always welcome to stick around and engage in good faith.

                  • silent_water [she/her]@hexbear.net
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                    we’re mostly on the revolutionary socialist side of the spectrum but yeah, you’ll be fine here. the inside jokes and cultural oddities will make more sense with time. welcome! cat-trans