no need to write an essay or anything
some libs and baby leftists are kinda baffled by the trump banter here and don’t know what’s serious and what’s irony
I would say 100% of Hexbear posters believe Trump should be immediately summarily executed. In the mean time, though, he’s a great comedic subject.
If this is not your opinion of Trump and every living (or dead) American president then Hexbear is not the instance for you, folks.
I disagree, I think we should give him the Puyi treatment for no other reason than it would be really funny
At the absolute least he should be truman show’d
We’ll put him in a large terrarium where he’s told he’s still president as he is subjected to more and more bizare staged scenarios just to see what he’ll do. Like one day we just replace his entire staff with people who look similar. One day we just let fifty dogs in to the white house. We tell him he has to open. Diplomatic channels with the deep ones who have emerged from the pacific. Just to see what he does. The man only watches one tv channel it wouldn’t be hard to control his entire subjective experience.
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along with every US president and anyone that perpetuates imperialism
thanks for responding to this, it’s more than I deserve lol
It’s like, if the goal is the collapse of America, he’s probably the best bet yeah? If shit collapses he’ll probably get executed anyway by his own base of psychopaths.
if the goal is the collapse of America, he’s probably the best bet yeah?
This assumes that fascism isn’t effective as capitalism’s immune response, but I’d argue it is.
Yeah, but the competentish fascist we were afraid of turned out to be Robinette Brandon. Covid ended, wars accelerated, he’s doing that faux-populism thing, new levels of state persecution of minorities, elections looking less legitimate than ever, jingoistic nationalism.
I think everyone has cleared up that we don’t actually like Trump. We hate all US presidents. But i wanted to explore a real split that happened when he got elected between people who are still libs, and people like me who were libs but reevaluated my received ideology, in large part due to his election.
Trump getting elected completely invalidates everything libs believe about this country. Myth of meritocracy, shattered. The belief that the “good republicans” will come back, the faith in the electoral system, etc.smashed.
When something like that happens, a real thing happens that invalidates your world view, your ideology, there’s two ways it can go. One way is reevaluating those beliefs, and the other is doubling down on them.
To double down, you have to view the real thing that happened as an abberation. It can’t be integrated into your worldview it has to be refuted. So what did libs do? Immediately after the election there was, “well maybe he won’t take office, the electors could save us”. They retreated into a belief in their electoral system. Next they moved onto the Russian conspiracy belief, because it would expunge the record of our electoral system. “If Russian interference happened, then theres nothing wrong with the electoral process!” And they needed nothing to be wrong with the electoral process, because its the only mechanism they have that allows them to believe this is a democracy. Of course, then theres a series of things, the Mueller report/Mueller worship, the hollow ceremony of impeachment.
If you reevalute the system, you integrate reality. You realize that Trump is not an aberation. Trump is the norm, just far more grotesque. Every president is a war criminal whose purpose is to further an imperialist, white supremacist world order. It doesn’t matter if they are civil, or have “merit” (whatever that means), or if they’re the first black president. They’re the figurehead of global system of exploitation.
For me personally, i hadn’t become a communist yet, and Trump winning was something that made it clear that the recieved ideology i was operating under was clearly wrong and had to be evaluated. At some point, and for whatever reason people who become communists, or anarchists, or whatever left tendency from the starting position of received American ideology have to reevaluate the world from usually a combination of catalysts.
I think a lot of this shows why theres so much acrimony between us and libs. We invalidate their world view. The thing that allows them to believe they live in a democracy, one that is more democratic than other nations, and freer (libs may except other western nations as free, or even superior, but they chauvanistically know they are better and freer than the global south or any AES).
And many of us are frustrated because we already know what they believe is wrong, because many of us believed it! And we learned it was wrong by integrating the realities we’ve witnessed into our understanding of the world.
That’s probably why some libs think we like Trump, because we don’t share the view that he’s an aberration, or uniquely bad. He’s just a republican. And they can’t accept that
That’s probably why some libs think we like Trump, because we don’t share the view that he’s an aberration, or uniquely bad. He’s just a republican. And they can’t accept that
I think the most revealing thing to ask a lib is who was worse,
or 
. The sheer body count difference, there’s no way a kind, non-fascist person could ever think it’s even close.It’s absolutelty the best test.
Trump winning the election almost immediately rehabilitated Bush for libs. Which is all about optics and civility bullshit.
Why they think the deaths of something like 2 million Iraqis is more civil than a grotesque TV show host being gross - now that’s what’s interesting!
The deaths and displacement of millions ot Iraqis and Afghans are not an affront to their ideology. That does little or nothing to their fundamental beliefs and assumptions about America. But a grotesque, an “unqualified” reality TV star, a con man becoming President, and then having the audacity to be “unpresidential” - to disrespect the office - that to libs is real shit. That shakes their belief system to the core. That’s the only calculus that makes Bush better than Trump
orange man literally blowing minds, what a unit
:this: is a great post
thanks comrade
back at you comrade
Excellent post.
This is exactly why, throughout the entire Trump presidency, liberals repeated to themselves, to their family, friends coworkers, to their Twitter followers: THIS IS NOT NORMAL. It was a mantra for 4 years. It perfectly represents their struggle through the cognitive dissonance of reconciling Donald Trump being the “Leader of the Free World” just as much as Barack Obama, Lyndon Johnson, or Franklin D. Roosevelt.
The question they never could answer satisfyingly is “If this is not normal, how did normal lead us here?” Answering this question definitively inevitably leads to socialist critiques and conclusions. Instead they retreated into the elitism of disdain for “populism” and the idiot masses, while simultaneously claiming to defend “democracy” even though they clearly don’t like its actual practice and results. Or, they retreated into the paranoia of a foreign conspiracy, since a foreign nation can be irredeemably evil but never our own, while completely overlooking that Trump mostly did as the Blob (as Obama called it) wanted. He was of absolutely no benefit to any supposed backers, even if they really did support him. And it stands to reason that if they could have rigged it successfully the first time, why wouldn’t it have worked the second time? It should have only gotten easier to rig things with a puppet in charge than with a meaningfully independent Democrat in charge. All of their answers were and are a mess of contradictions.
I was like you too. Recognizing that this madness was normal and continues to proceed just fine without Trump at its head is exactly what showed me that I am not a liberal. I would have hoped it would have enough for most people. Maybe we need Mecha Hitler III to be elected via Supreme Court decision before most liberals jump ship.
Thanks, and i appreciate what you’ve added here comrade.
Particularly about their retreat into elitism and anti-populism. You see this manifest strongly when theres a disaster in a so-called red state, and all the libs just say they deserve it, as if everyone living there is what they imagine republican voters to be: stupid, lower class, rednecks, whatever libs are calling them these days. They never imagine that the average republican voter and average Trump supporter is petty boug, is as affluent as they are if not more, and of the same class or higher. And those peoole aren’t the ones hurt when the grid goes down in Texas. The peoole most likely to be hurt are the people they pay lip service to caring about.
Chapo had it right when they said that the really poor by and large just don’t vote. From liberals’ perspective that’s the same thing as voting Republican in effect, but they don’t reflect on being resented for this snobbish disapproval and political entitlement, which costs them elections.
So what did libs do? Immediately after the election there was, “well maybe he won’t take office, the electors could save us”. They retreated into a belief in their electoral system. Next they moved onto the Russian conspiracy belief, because it would expunge the record of our electoral system. “If Russian interference happened, then theres nothing wrong with the electoral process!”
I went through most of those steps, but already knowing our electoral system was at the very least bad because of math. So after a few rounds of cognitive dissonance I had to reevaluate.
Not from hexbear, but no, of course they don’t. I would wager that you would have a very hard time finding anyone on hexbear or lemmygrad that has anything but contempt for all US presidents. A bunch of monsters, the lot of them.
I see Lincoln as being a lot like Lenin, a problematic figure who ultimately oversaw an important and mostly liberatory project
Lincoln has just been whitewashed all to hell. He didn’t free the slaves out of any moral reason. It was just a good piece of propaganda, and he was really just railroaded into it.
I would also like to point you to Lincoln’s military service and the largest mass execution in US history. Their crime? Not starving to death. He’s just as much of a genocidal scumbag as the rest of them.
Trump is a grotesque monster, but he’s hated by libs not for vile actions, but because he was rude. We don’t value civility here, so we can laugh at him when he’s funny, but he and every living American president deserves to be tried in The Hague
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See, this is why I don’t trust y’all. How can you pretend to be leftist when to you the fundamental difference between Trump and any other political administration is literally just that he’s rude.
How is it that nothing else, from the rights of workers and of oppressed minorities to the protection of the environment to access to health care and education, means anything?
If none of that means anything more than being rude or not, you’re not a leftist. You’re a cosplayer.
from the rights of workers
Who crushed the rail strike
of oppressed minorities
who let roe v wade expire
protection of the environment
how many oil drilling licenses were given out in the last 4 years
access to health care and education
lol
All presidents are bad, and all advance the cruelty of the previous president. Are we still ignoring covid? are we still imprisoning people at the border?
Who was a vocal supporter of segregation?
Democrats and Republicans exist as two parts of a rightward political ratchet system. Biden as VP was only run because he was the more right wing counterbalance to Obama’s “radical socialist agenda” We get one
in the white house and suddenly Biden is the “most pro labor president in history”? Come the fuck on.
His policies and the continuation of them under Biden are no fundamentally different in scope or malaciousness than any other previous president. Trump is the most exagerrated symptom of American political rot, not a new disease process.
And this is why we don’t trust libs. Because as soon as a blue candidate gets into office you become blind to the problems in america
Here’s one more difference between trump and other presidents: he was less harmful than bush and probably Clinton and Obama. Clinton was responsible for turning the Democratic Party into the neoliberal garbage it is now, bush killed hundreds of thousands of people and devastated multiple countries, and Obama oversaw one of the greatest transfers of wealth from the poorest to the richest the world has ever seen
also what Obama/Clinton did in Libya is an unspeakably horrifying crime. just thinking about it makes me shake with rage. also Yemen.
Absolutely. All of them have so much blood on their hands and I will celebrate their deaths with glee. It will be a small pleasure compared to the countless lives they extinguished and cast into poverty but it’s all I can expect when it comes these monster
How is it that nothing else, from the rights of workers and of oppressed minorities to the protection of the environment to access to health care and education, means anything?
Get back to us when Dems do anything about any of that?
they’re saying the only difference between him and any other liberal. you forget that imperialism and white supremacy are the defacto policy of the US government, regardless of the views of any president.
How were any of the things you listed helped by Biden being in office? Are any of those things better in this country now that he’s gone?
We don’t support him, he is awful on all these aspects, but so are all US admins, because they all serve capital.
the fundamental difference between Trump and any other political administration is literally just that he’s rude.
Every single other president in history is a war criminal murderous bastard.
The libs didn’t like this war criminal murderous bastard because he made it incredibly obvious while doing it, when the operating procedure is supposed to hide it behind a layer of ““professionalism”” (liberal culture).
All of them are bastards, barring none. All of them are responsible for the countless deaths of thousands upon thousands of people all over the world. They’re all murdering bastards of empire reaping hell upon the entire world.
You just ignored it until this particular one made it too obvious.
How is it that nothing else, from the rights of workers and of oppressed minorities to the protection of the environment to access to health care and education, means anything?
Lmao absolutely none of these involve foreign policy. It’s very telling that you’re a nationalist who is ok with the hell america reaps everywhere else. Let’s go through them one by one though eh?
Workers rights - lol, like any president in history has ever been pro workers, including Biden who broke the rail strike
Minorities - lol, like any president in history has ever been pro minorities
Environment - lol, lmao even
Health - lol dems have always been great on health right? That’s why america still has no fucking healthcare system. Fuck me how naive are you?
Education - 21% of americans are illiterate
It’s fucking wild that you people only attribute this to republicans, you’re completely fucking blind to the fact that the ruling class owns both of these parties and that they use them both to continually fuck you over while somehow fooling dipshits like you into thinking one half of the capitalists is good actually if only it weren’t for the mean half of the capitalists. Fucking open your eyes for fucks sake.
May as well throw Chomsky on the crimes of every US president here too since it’s relevant.
Rights of workers: Biden literally busted Unions. Come on man
Oppressed Minorities: Biden quite literally continued Trump’s migration policies when he first entered office. There have been some marginal improvements, but as someone who worked directly in migrant communities and legal aid during the time, I can confidently say his policies have been nearly indistinguishable to the masses of people hurting and need help. There are administrative changes he could make with the wave of a pen to make the process easier, but there’s no desire for it in the actual rooms of power within the Democratic party.
Plus, Biden and other mainstream Dems fought against defund the police almost harder than the right wing did. Funding for the most oppressive institution in this country has increased dramatically.
PLUS the fucking democrats never codified Roe v Wade despite having all 3 branches of government.
Protection of the environment: Driving off a 100 foot cliff at 60 mph is quite frankly just as bad as driving off at 75 mph. The Democrats engage in soft climate change denialism. They say vapid shit like “believe the science,” but then completely ignore what the science says we have to do which is stop fucking drilling for more Fossil Fuels and switch as fast as possible to renewables. Instead we get weasely promises about investing in green technologies that may or may not actually work out of one side of their mouths, and a dramatic increase in fossil fuel production on the other. They’re just green washing their anti-environmental ambitions so useful idiots feel warm and fuzzy.
Access to education: you’re going to have to point to something you think is good, because I literally can’t even begin to imagine what you’re thinking is going well in this regard.
No, absolutely not.
Occasionally I’ve seen someone (there might even be some in this thread) get some stupid 5th dimensional chess idea about how Trump is going to accidentally create the conditions for communism somehow (I saw this for Biden too once). It’s the sort of weird nonsense Americans come up with after realizing that our political situation is FUBAR, but they don’t want to give in to doomerism and they can’t concieve of anything beyond voting every 4 years. It’s incredibly stupid and tbh deserves to be bullied more.
Broadly speaking, the main difference between Trump and other presidents is that he says the quiet parts out loud. He is very openly and explicitly bad, compared to the others that put on nice pretenses while enacting essentially the same policies. We often focus more on exposing these “fake friends” because sometimes well-meaning people get fooled by their lies, whereas nobody well-meaning likes Trump. It’s just less interesting to talk about stuff where we’re all pretty much on the same page.
he’s a naturally funny guy with some all-time bangers under his belt and I think it would be hilarious to see him executed
Definitely not. He’s an odious fascist, or he would be a fascist if he had any sort of ideological commitment to anything other than drawing attention to himself. The fact that he was elected at all is a monumental condemnation of the USA. He just has the soul of a problematic Florida drag queen in there, which makes him a tremendous poster.
Give me five minutes alone with Trump and a serrated butter knife
- he is swamp-ass incarnate, our big wet sloppy pissboy, may he one day have a heart attack on live TV. he’s not the guy we need, he’s the presinald the US deserves.
for context I am a taxpaying US citizen (Death to America).
People just like making fun of the way he exposes the hollowness of liberal institutions.
But in reality I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire.
But in reality I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire.
This triggered some neurons. Remember that allegation that Trump once stayed at the same hotel and room in Moscow that Obama once stayed in and he paid two sex workers to urinate on the bed?
Seems like a lifetime ago.
every american president is a war criminal and should be dug up and tried posthumously for their crimes against humanity
*stares in transgender*
I hate Trump but, in the grand scheme of things, his foreign policy was dogshit for advancing the interests of US power projection and I am of the opinion that he was a real spanner in the works for the imperialist agenda compared to his predecessors.
You might say Trump is strays alarmingly close to fascism and I’d be inclined to agree but I’d also note that what US imperialism inflicts upon the world is much closer to fascism in practice than what Trump is like domestically and that needs to be weighed accordingly, especially given that the US is only one country.
I am not hoping for another Trump presidency. I anticipate that a second term in office for him would allow him to shift further to the right as well, which is a grim prospect.
But at the same time, I’m fairly convinced that America won’t advance towards socialism much in the coming few years due to a range of internal and external factors, so I am more concerned with how US foreign policy interferes with other countries and their potential advances towards socialism.
This means that, overall, I would see a Trump win as something that bodes slightly better for the rest of the world than a Hillary or Biden win, for example. (Although admittedly it would suck somewhat more for the people living in America.)
Would I prefer Bernie or West instead? Of course.
So, do I support Trump? No, unequivocally not.
Do I think that another Trump presidency would give some respite to the rest of the world and to allow some breathing room for other countries to move towards socialism compared to someone like Biden? Likely, given his previous presidency.
In an overall sense, from the perspective of “pragmatism” and “harm reduction” (ironically two things that get used as a bludgeon to coerce the radical left into voiting blue, no matter who) I think that Trump would be slightly better from a global perspective in comparison to Biden. But I certainly wouldn’t cheer for a Trump victory.
I figure this take is going to ruffle some feathers but a slightly shittier situation for the US under Trump doesn’t even come close to comparing to the atrocities that US inflicted on Libya, for example, and Libyans are just as important in my consideration as Americans are. That’s going to be a bitter pill for some people to swallow.
Ideally Trump would be locked up, and so would Obama and Biden and Kissenger and Bush and Jimmy Carter… but that’s not on the cards, aside from Trump (lol.) I would consider a Trump win over Biden/Harris to be slightly less awful overall.
But this is like asking me if I’d rather eat a piece of shit or the equivalent volume of diarrhoea; both are absolutely awful and I’d prefer neither but one is slightly but notably less awful than the other. That doesn’t mean it’s not a shit option though.
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Bernie’s foreign policy is absolute trash and Parenti was right to break with him over Bernie’s support for the destruction of Yugoslavia.
If Bernie managed to get elected and not get couped in the process, then by some miracle he managed to implement the domestic reforms that he envisioned, it would be social democracy at home and some variation of business as usual on the international level.
Still, I think that Bernie would rely upon popular support and that means that imo he’d be more responsive to his voterbase than “Let’s vote him in now and push him left after” Biden would be. But who knows?
Protectionism is different from hawkishness. If he were hawkish he’d be calling for heightened US carrier presence in the South China Sea and calling Taiwan independent. He just wants to keep manufacturing jobs in the US - I doubt he’d sound any different if those jobs were going to Kenya or Turkey or Ireland or any other country. And it’s not like it isn’t a policy without it’s own problems - ask any third world Maoist about labor aristocracy and they’ll tell you - but just because it sometimes lines up with hawkishness doesn’t make it the same thing.
Every American president is a war criminal. Trump is no exception, he just happens to be an open asshole about it. It’s funny watching Libs get butthurt because instead of just bombing poor brown countries, he also insults them at the same time. Every single US president is going to hell if it exists.
