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    I can understand your hesitancy, but the position of “Threat to Global Peace and the World Order” has already been taken. We do have an opening for “Bastion of the Free World” and we encourage you to apply. All things considered, you would be a great fit for the role.

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    It reminds me of an old Polish joke:

    A Pole finds a magic lamp, strokes it, and a genie comes out.

    “I will grant you three wishes. They can be anything your heart desire.”

    "I wish for the Mongols to invade Poland!’

    “Ok? It is done”

    The Mongol hordes sweep through Poland, ransack the country, then go back the way they came.

    “I am ready for my second wish. I want the Mongols to invade Poland again!”

    “Are you sure? I can give you anything your heart wishes.”

    “Yes. I am sure”

    The Mongols come again, do some more pillaging, and return home.

    “And now for my third wish. I want the Mongol hordes to invade Poland a third time.”

    “Are you really sure?”

    “Yes.”

    “Okay. Before I grant you your wish, would you mind explaining me why you would want that not once but thrice?”

    “It’s very simple: Whenever the Mongols come to Poland they have to cross Russia twice!”

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      The US really is just this hateful polish guy. A solid 35% of americans would happily raze our own country than let one poor person have a subsidized lunch.

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      This is so funny. I just told my wife, who’s Ukrainian, this joke and she burst out laughing.
      Also, as Canadians. We wish there were mongol hordes we could get to invade us, through the US.

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        As long as russia keeps invading countries it has no business being in, it is extremely funny.

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          You could apply that to most EU countries though? Colonialism in Africa, invasion of Iraq, support of the US in Afghanistan, bombing of Libya and Yugoslavia, funding the genocide in Gaza… What makes the EU better? I just happen to live in Europe and I want to push MY government towards peace negotiations because it’s the one I can affect

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            How many of these are active missions? The Special Military Operation was only supposed to take 3 days, but it’s still going on.

            Or do you simply have a case of «А у вас негров линчуют»? No one’s excusing their own country’s atrocities simply by attacking Russia’s ongoing atrocity.

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          yankees get very mad when you make a similar point about drone striking east asia

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        It’s more of a Polish grudge funny though.

        Poland has a bit of a history with Russia too.

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          Surely Poland has been in an unlucky position between the empires of western Europe and the former Russian Empire, then again it has the same historical problems with Germany and I don’t see Polish people making racist jokes against the country that committed genocide in their territory.

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            I really don’t see what’s racist about Russia in that joke. If someone’s the butt of that joke it’s the Polish who’s willing to hurt themselve just to get back at Russia.

            And there are loads of Polish jokes about Germans.

            “An unlucky position” that’s putting it mildly.

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              It’s not racist. People forget “Russian” is a nationality, not a race. Russia isn’t just populated by Slavs (much to the chagrin of Putin, I assume).

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                Imho discriminating against a nationality is still racism. e.g. WW2 anti-japanese racism in the US.

                Russia has a very colonial attitude toward its non slavic citizens.

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                  Learn the difference between xenophobia and racism, please. The difference matters for proper discussions of different topics that pertain to discrimination in general and you are clearly confusing both of them in your weak attempt at accusing someone of behaviour they never displayed while they explained a joke that is rooted in historical context.

                  More to the point, being against Russian dictatorship policies and historical atrocities is neither xenophobia nor is it racism.

                  Everyone with a functioning frontal lobe knowns the Russian people are mostly helpless under a dictatorship that practices putting opposition (civil or political) in gulags, but one cannot just “lay down and take it” if the Russians come for them, just because you pity their situation. Criticizing dictatorships is of utmost importance, feelings be damned.

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            Maybe it’s the difference in Germany’s behavior and allyship towards Poland since the transgressions. Maybe Russia has not acted in a reconciliatory way towards Poland, maybe perhaps they’ve still behaved as an adversary, while Germany has taken accountability and joined a strategic alliance against the same Russian aggression that unapologetically continues to threaten Poland’s sovereignty

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            I wasn’t aware Russian was a race.

            And if you knew anything about history you’d understand why Poland feels particularly strongly towards Russia.

            Germany made amends and stopped the warmongering. Russia has demonstrated that they will not.

            It isn’t that complicated.

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        There is russian similar joke abour genie that grants wishes, but your neighbour gets twice of that. One of dude’s wishes was to poke his eye.

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    Alternative you could go by boat, but I’d advice is to travel by land because I expect Poland will join you. (or it’s just I’m hoping they will)

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    I know its a joke but just to note: I’d love to see Germany “march through Poland” given the poor state of Germany’s armed forces. As it is rn, Poland alone could most likely reach Russia’s heart in a couple of weeks of conventional warfare and debilitate Russian critical infrastructure long before that. Barring nukes of course, which is basically all the Kremlin would have to hang on to in a full out direct confrontation given just how incompetent their armed forces have proven to be.

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    It kind of reminds me of Terminator 2; where its essentially the exact same story is T1 except this time the previous bad guy is the good guy.

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      The irony being that Poland doesn’t have border controls towards Germany, but Germany has illegal border controls towards Poland though.

      Just because almost every party decided to go full populist “Screw the people and the economy, there might be Muslim terrorists in Poland”

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    I am ok if Europe wants to send troops to Canada to defend against the real enemy—the United States.

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      As an American I fully support this. We don’t want to invade Canada either. Just the Orange Idiot and his bootlickers.

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      I was going to joke “I’ll send y’all intel,” but now I’m seriously considering if my country will use that statement against me some day.

      I am joking NSA/DOGE, of course.

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        If it comes to it, there won’t be a conventional battle. We will take them out from within.

        In the wise words of the Arrogant Worms, “We’ll take a boat to Washingtooooooon! And burn the White House twice!”

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      USA = U Stand Alone.

      As an American, I stand for this. You’ll never see me fight any country besides the enemy within the US.

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      I’ll come to defend the indiginous people from Canadians stealing and polluting their land.

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      They’re allowed to take out one German tank with light cavalry, for old time’s sake.

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        You know…as the battlefield becomes ever more automated, there might be a very brief window where the winged hussars could make a comeback.

        Let’s say you have a battlefield riddled with smart drones. They have image recognition and immediately attack anything resembling a tank or other military asset. Do you think anyone bothered to program the drones to seek out and attack a unit outfit like 18th century Polish cavalry? A charge on horseback just might be able to ride completely undisturbed through the right kind of drone-controlled battlefield.

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      Last time Russia and Germany invaded Poland together. Presumably this would be Germany and Poland invading Russia.

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        Does that mean in 100 years it’ll be Russia’s turn to team up with Poland against Germany? Is that how this works now? Can’t we just rock-paper-scissors best 2 of 3 instead?

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        After the refusal of France, England and Poland to enter a military alliance against the Nazis with the USSR, the only alternative to a partial Soviet occupation of Poland was a total Nazi occupation of Poland. Tell me, would you prefer a total Nazi occupation of Poland?

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          Erm, Stalin did a deal with Hitler, the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. In a secret protocol, they agreed to carve up Europe between them with the USSR to take Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Bessarabia and half of Poland. The Finland part didn’t work out so well, and Hitler went on to break the pact. The details of this were proven only when it was made public during the Nuremberg trials.

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            You haven’t answered my question: would you have preferred a total Nazi occupation of Poland?

            Erm, Stalin did a deal with Hitler, the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact

            Yes, to postpone as much as possible the war between the 100-year-old industrial power that was Germany, and the 10-year-into-industrialization USSR. This was done after the Soviets were consistently denied mutual defense agreements with Poland, England and France, in which Stalin offered to send ONE MILLION soldiers to France and Poland to defend against the Nazi threat (together with artillery, tanks and aviation). The Soviets even offered to collectively start war against the Nazis instead of the Munich agreements in defense of Czechoslovakia, which the western powers again refused. It was then and only then when the Soviets changed the previous minister and put Molotov in place, to postpone the inevitable war against the Nazis for as long as possible during the key industrialisation years.

            Please, answer my question above

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    Ukrainians: “the Germans are here to liberate us from the Russian yoke. And they actually mean it this time!”

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    Let’s make sure to start the campaign in autumn so we are deep inside Russia during the coldest parts of winter. Let’s also make sure to only take light summer clothing.

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    This would be much more concerning if they hadn’t so thoroughly stamped out fascism. What’s the alternative for Germany?

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      I can’t tell if that’s a lucky coincidence or a reference, but the Alternative for Germany (AfD) are the biggest voices in support of fascism in Germany, and they just won 20% of the seats in parliament. Luckily, even the CXU won’t form a coalition with them yet, so they will hopefully not have much impact on things.

      Ironically, the AfD doesn’t want to militarize against Russia (but don’t be too reassured, they do want to reinstate mandatory conscription and militarize generally, just not against daddy Putin)

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      AfD is a nazi party. With tied to Blood and Honor, Proud Boys, constantly yelling nazi quotes, nazi saluting in private and small meetings, copying their rethoric and imagin aso

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      I think the widespread political “unwavering support” for a nation committing Genocide, which is justified by the ethnicity of the people of that nation, kinda shows that some part of Fascism (the whole “people’s race is what matters the most and some races are better than others”) hasn’t at all been stamped out.

      Then there’s AfD which is just taking the “if it’s good to support them because of their race, then it’s good to support us” step closer to Fascism.

      Germany is far closer to a certain philosophy anchored on classifying one’s fellow human being as worthy or unworthy depending on race than one would like to believe (certainly, I liked to believe before the political reaction there to whole Gaza thing made it too obvious to deny) - the symbols were made illegal whilst the spirit lives.

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      The alternative is to not build a giant army and use the money in something more useful that will benefit germans and humanity

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      Germany was never fully denazified. There’s a reason the New Left in Germany was so militant. Kiesinger was in the Nazi Party!

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        Yeah the Schreibtischnazis and industrial-nazis never got punished. And not to speak of east germany who employed SS and Gestapo members in their StaSi

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          East Germany was denazified to a much higher degree than west Germany. Half of the fucking embassies of West Germany were run by Nazis, and some NATO generals literally took part in the SS. Soviets lost 25 million lives to Nazism, they were much, much more stringent with Nazism than western Europe.

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            Sadly, the facts are not supporting your argument. Also you call it naziism which is just emberessing. American tankie i assume? “West bad” “soviet union glory state made of marble”?

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      Germany: “i thought these days would never come again. Fighting russia with poland and france like we did late 1700s and early 1800s”

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          Wouldnt say it was a band. Napoleon forced some of the germans, the others joined because they wanted to be on the winning side, and the poles fought with Bonaparte for their freedom

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            So like a supergroup. Like the Highwaymen.

            🎶"I wore a picklehaube, on the Rhineland I did ride…" 🎶

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              🎵🎶 I spilled the blood of the Saxon men🎶🎵

              I know Charlemagne doesn’t fit the definition of a Supergroup, but that’s simply because when the term was coined, Christopher Lee hadn’t joined any bands yet. So the creators of the term forgot to leave in the loophole that any band with Christopher Lee is also a Supergroup.

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      No thank you. Defensive alliance, sure. But not attacking. We’re supposed to be the good guys, after all.

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        Good luck convincing our politicians not to start a war after giving Rheinmetall a taste of the 800bn budget for a project literally called REARM EUROPE.

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          Our politicians didn’t start a war during the entirety of the Cold War, either. You might have succumbed to the fallacy of thinking that when a weapon is purchased it needs to be used to kill people.

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            Surely the European weapons and troops didn’t kill anyone during the Vietnam war, or the Korean war, or in colonies in Africa such as Algeria, or in the Gulf war, or in Yugoslavia, or the bombing of Libya, or in Afghanistan, or in Iraq, or very recently in Gaza.

            Oh sorry, forgot those don’t count to you because they’re brown people or Asians for the most part! Massacres and colonialism against defenceless people don’t count as wars ;)