• ComradeMonotreme [she/her, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Every right wing nut wants national service, but a factor in many imperial countries dropping it was that it taught basic combat skills to working class people who didn’t necessarily want to be there.

    Like May 1968 ultimately fizzled out in France but a concern at the time was it would turn into a live civil war if protestors, students and unionists etc seized weapons.

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      Yep. Trotsky era red army was full of ww1 conscripts who jumped to communism because of the shit situation the russian empire was. Jukov for example was one of the conscripted, lower class guys.

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    Barring the fact that it seems like a lot of reactionary news outlets are pushing this as a sort of anti-woke great patriotic ideal to teach elementary/primary school kids how to shoot AKs and that sounds like a load of shit because you’d want to do that sort of shit in high school in addition to the fact the kids they’re showing looks around high school age, therefore I’m not 100% convinced on the veracity on the level of penetration the poles are aiming for in their jingoistic firearm training though their education system… That said, teaching young adults how to handle firearms isn’t exactly a new thing. Many, I’m not particularly sure about the universality of it, of the warsaw pact nations instituted compulsory firearm handling and/or shooting courses across the history of the pact’s existence, as well as quite a few U.S schools from roughly the '80s back had similar programs (regional dependent).

    That said, fuck them war hungry fuckers in Polania, fuck the jingoistic monsters eagerly cheering at the prospect of sending Poland’s future into the charnel house, and most important of all fuck the EU.

    pic, 1970s or around there soviet classroom where they’re learning shit about guns

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      We still had classes like in the pic in the 2000s (post-Soviet country)!

      EDIT: our teacher was an Afghanistan veteran, we learned how to shoot (with a compressed air rifle), how to assemble/disassemble an AK, how to load/unload an AK magazine, and some basic military code stuff, e.g., how to march and how to report to an officer. It was a mandatory high school class for students around 16.

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    On the one hand its great that they’re teaching the proletariat to use guns. On the other hand I have a hard time imagining how “gun shagging and fascist propaganda” class is not going to have some really nasty consequences down the line.

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      I don’t know. Was it a W when the Hitler Youth got the same training? It’s not like these kids are all that likely to use this knowledge for a good purpose. Maybe I’m being pessimistic.

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        Poland is not in the imperial core, it very much would like to be an imperialist power, but it isnt, the degree of exploitation is not as high as in the 3rd world, but its still exploited by the imperialist powers, for example germany uses poland for cheap labour

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          The funniest thing is that right-wingers in Poland usually use contradictory narratives to push their narrative of “communism bad, capitalism good”. Poland wants to be considered western, but at the same time it always blames the west (especially Germany for partitions and nazi occupation, and allies for “betrayal”) for its shortcomings. The Germans are also blamed for “controlling” liberal political parties, while conservatives also usually implement reforms that allow for lower taxes for western corporations and privileged treatment in special economic zones that benefit Germany. Poles know that their economy is almost totally dependent on the EU, but somehow they always want to make it seem like that the economy is a “miracle” compared to PPR. Polish political discourse is also filled with absolutely insane russophobia and orientalism, to the point where General Staff of the Polish Army, for example, shows this nonsense on their twitter account. Poland weaponizes its “victimhood” to force anti-russian and anti-communist narratives, but at the same time it wants to be like the countries that abused Poland.

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            I agree that poland is a loyal dog of the imperialists, but it isnt an imperialist power itself, it didnt make the decisions to invade Iraq and Afghanistan and never benefited from it, it merely aided in these invasions to demonstrate it’s servility

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          Yeah, seriously. By the standard he’s using, I am more of a labour aristocrat because I actually live in the imperial core. I’m still a communist though.

          Writing off children as your enemy is pretty fucking disgusting on top of that. That’s what fascists do. That’s what Isreal does to justify bombing innocent palistinian children.

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            I am a Palestinian and I live in Palestine ,not in the west

            Maybe I would consider them part of”proletariat” if their immigration policy wasn’t to literally shoot any illegal immigrants

            What’s disgusting is praising an act of a shitty Imperialist state like Poland

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              I’m not praising their intentions. I am laughing at them because as the imperial apparatus crumbles, these children will grow to resent the system which raised them. They are sowing the seeds of their own destruction.

              With that I refuse to engage with you further on this. From the very start you spoke in a hostile manner. I understand your anger, but you need to chill and not assume these children are going to grow up to be your enemy, even if that’s what their government has in mind.

              Have a good day.

        • It is our job to ensure they’re properly educated

          ???

          They’re from Poland

          Communist parties are illegal there

          I’m not saying I hate these kids ,I’m saying that they’re being taught by anti communist losers who are teaching them to use on immigrants and not for “self defense”

          I despise Poland with every fiber of my being ,not just for its anti communism ,it’s disgusting Neo nazism

          But for pretending to be a “victim” for so long , “we have never colonized anyone” and immediately invading Poland and Iraq

          Poland doesn’t even have to do with either country and their people were happy with the disgusting crimes they did there

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    In a good country this would be good, but we live in this hellish timeline where the soviet block was destroyed.