tweet in which jon points out the obvious and libs get mad
excerpt from a Lib
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Jon gives his best impression of a 14 year old tankie in this video.
The following is true simultaneously:
- It is appropriate to critique US foreign policy, it’s actually necessary in a free society.
- Some bad actions are worse than others. Iraq wasn’t annexed into the 51st state, as opposed to Crimea, Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia.
- Not all foreign policy decisions are zero sum, it’s possible for both parties to derive a benefit from an agreement (US and Philippines for example).
what a great deal
i receive Military bases and access to your natural resources
you 
received: a US backed dictatorship
- The world does not revolve around the US, people in the Kremlin have agency.
- The Russian invasion of Ukraine and PRC threats of a Taiwan invasion are not about US foreign policy, they are a response to internal Russian and PRC pressures.
- Not every policy decision is based on trade and natural resources, those some of the variables in a long list of strategic considerations.
Which is worse:
Starting a war to take territory that results in the deaths of 10s of thousands (yes, I know, I’m deliberately meeting liberals on their terms here)
Starting a war to install a puppet government that results in the deaths of over 4 million
I will never understand the liberal fascination with lines on a map. Since mentioning the history of US intervention in the region is mostly viewed as “conspiracy”, I’ve started to ask liberals: will life be meaningfully worse under Russian occupation for the people living in the region they’ve seized, or will it be about the same? If there’s no difference, why should we support sending thousands of conscripts to their deaths?
The purposeful undermining of former-USSR states like Ukraine and Russia (before Putin said “nah, no more of that…”) is literal fact and obvious to even the most surface level observer. It’s blood-boilingly (new word) angering that these fascist assclowns claim things never happened which clearly did happen.
Basically my entry and exit point for even bothering to discuss Russia regional draws giant circle stuff is “Do you agree that the US/NATO was the primary reason Ukraine even exists as a separate entity? Do you agree the US/NATO lied repeatedly, basically nonstop, for 35 years to the post-Soviet leaders? Do you agree US/NATO’s goal is to undermine Russian regional influence?”
A lot of Nazis (referring to liberals as that now considering their actions for 8 months now. Done with liberals) live in their American Exceptionalism fantasy land that is a literal joke to those on the left and the rest of the world. Thinking “America is good” or even “America has morals and standards that it applies and follows itself” is a child’s belief… a child dropped on its head.
I suppose if you’re dipshitted (more new words) enough to simply listen to the rhetoric and then immediately shoot one of those metal slugs they use to kill cows directly into your frontal cortex then it is possible to believe America is doing things like increasing quality of life or spreading democracy. Otherwise you’ll hear those words and then immediately see the mass murder and robbery that the US calls spreading freedom.
I’m just tired of these Nazi liberal dipshits. My only response from now is going to be “oh cool, you care a lot about Ukrainian sovereignty?! I hear they need warm bodies! No experience required! Catch a flight to Poland and they’ll surely show you the right way.”
There’s a particular group, which I won’t name because already on enough lists, that if I could feasibly go over and help them in their actually-righteous war, I don’t know if I would… but maybe. Unfortunately if I did do that and survived and came back to the US I would be locked in gitmo for a decade while DeSantis signs off on my daily waterboarding. If the side you support is fully supported by the US and they even half ass support you going and fighting for the foreign army, maybe it’s worth considering that’s probably a sign you’re supporting the wrong side.
it’s called a captive bolt gun
We already have an example, Crimea, to confidently state that it will be better under Russia than under Ukraine, and that was even before the war and the current plunder of Ukraine by west.
The problem with that is far too many liberals sincerely believe this idea they invented themselves that this is going to result in some Ukrainian genocide by the Russians, either fully murdering everyone or a cultural genocide by replacing them and their culture with Russia’s
The reality is of course that no, life will not meaningfully change, but few libs actually engage with material reality
It’s even worse than that. They don’t think genocide is going to happen, they think it’s happening. I’ve heard liberals saying that pro Palestine activists are hypocrites for not protesting against Russia because the war in Ukraine is apparently “quantifiably worse in terms of death displacement and suffering”. Nevermind the United Nations themselves reporting that child deaths in Gaza in the past 8 months exceed deaths in all other global conflict combined in the past 4 years. They have an entirely made up set of facts in their heads.
The UN are captured by tankies don’t you know, they reported there’s no genocide in Xinjiang and so are controlled by China
Both. Both are horrific. It’s like the trolley problem: it’s artificial and you shouldn’t solve it
Ok.
But I think 150 million Russians being plundered by the US again actually is worse.
So far nobody talks about plundering Russia, unless Putin attacks the Baltic states.
But TBH, given how the West implements sanctions, this plundering would look like they’re shooting in their leg.
Nobody’s outright talking plunder but friend, what do you think the ultimate outcome is here?
Libs won’t stop until Russia either balkanizes into a shattered Libya-style failed state that the West can gobble up piecemeal under the guise of helping them recover, or the Russian government changes to an explicitly pro-EU one that empties its coffers in a show of newfound solidarity
For the West, there is no world in which Russia will be allowed to exist as a sovereign state. The end goal, full stop, is to plunder it, even if that’s not the stated goal
Nope. Both Russia and the US are fucking imperialistic states.
Thinking that Russia is somehow left inclined is insanity
That’s not what anyone here is claiming. Our critical support is for the Russian Federation’s opposition to US hegemony. No one thinks they are “left” in any way
They’ve literally written horseshoe theory sarcastically. If you are not aware, horseshoe theory is a claim that is far right and far left are quite similar.
Here we have completely different situation where we fucking have 2 nazi states opposing each other. Eventually, they’ll compromise leaving the world in the middle of a catastrophe
Ruzzzzzzza is also nazis. Dontcha know about Dmitri Utkin? He’s totally representative of the Ruzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzin military in the SMO and not a non-argument at all.
Are they saying that that Russia and Ukraine are both nazi states and will compromise with each other? And that will be a catastrophe. Or that Russia and US are both nazi states and they are going to compromise for some reason?
Niether way makes any sense but i can’t even get past that part lol
I was deliberately referring to the poster quoted in OP who stated:
It was a dunk pointing out that they’re arguing against themselves but don’t realize due to American exceptionalism. I agree that Russia is not aligned with the left, and personally would like to see the war ended, but to be realistic, Russia will not just leave, especially when they have the upper hand (which it is clear they now do). As a resident of the US, the most I can do to end the war is to call on our government to work towards negotiations, as peace would obviously be the best case for the working class in both countries. However, the US and its allies more broadly would prefer to continue looting Ukraine and to make money for their arms industries, so they aren’t in any hurry, and they will instead insist on that ludicrously unrealistic scenario where Russia just stops for no reason as a means to prolong the war instead without having to say so.