- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
Or OpenSUSE Tumbleweed
Huge respect for not putting Ubuntu
is this real? windows 10 literally came out yesterday
Remember when W10 was going to be the last windows you’d ever need.
Yes, it’s the last version of Windows I’ll ever need.
Yep, not moving on. I still have a lot of things to figure out though. Unfortunately windows is easier for a lot of things but I’m completely done.
Oh, I meant I’m going to use a different OS after 10.
This is linuxmemes after all…
To be fair, that is entirely accurate. It is the last windows I will ever need because I switched to linux.
On released they didn’t know yet how far they can push that telemetry shit down their users’ throats. I bet, 11 is better optimized for that. And eventually, it’ll be Win365 OSaaS anyway…
Windows…optimized.
It takes 4GB just to idle in windows 11.
Why optimize when you can just mandate insane resources for your OS?
I miss running XP on an system with 768MB of RAM and having enough left over to play Morrowind.
I’ve never tried 10. 8 was all I needed to switch.
It was a pinky promise.
deleted by creator
It is… for me
in 2015
deleted by creator
That’s what he said.
Very much so and very much so
It honestly still feels like Windows 11 has only been out for a year
But what’s an ᗋR𝖢ꔠ?
You just summoned a demon
No I think it’s a daemon they summoned. Maybe the notification daemon?
Btw
Arc# is what happens when Microsoft copies it.
Intel ARC grapHics cards?
70% of the market. Half of those computers can’t even run windows 11. Good to see Microsoft taking charge in the fight against the environment by asking tens of millions of people to throw away their perfectly good computers and buy new ones
For real. I’m genuinely trying to grasp why. Is it seriously just so they can require secure boot and then say Windows 11 is secure from ransomware even though that’s a feature of the motherboard and not the OS?
They have added so much ad stuff and other garbage that the OS is slowing down, to combat the user perception that the OS is slow they have increased the hardware requirement.
The home-user PC market has been hit HARD by smartphones and tablets. Suburban families no longer have a desktop in a home office plus a laptop for each member of the family. They may have a laptop, and it’s probably a Mac.
This decision is too make people buy new devices or upgrade to an OS that has a lot more tracking built in.
Microsoft is pressing AI and other data-scraping tech hard, but they’re necessarily going to have to have enterprise and government licenses that allow admins to block those features for legal and security reasons.
So they desperately need new home users they can data-mine.
I see I sideload of Gentleman Agreement with the hardware vendors here:
- Hardware Vendors : “Oh No, The Market is Slowing Down!”
- Microsoft: “Hold My Beer, it’s Payback Time”
Everyone wins. Well, the usual suspects win as usual. The environment and the customer can go kiss Mr Gates and Mr Dell’s asses.
Windows 10 can’t take screenshots at will…
That they will admit, at least.
I can’t wait for some new bargain Linux machines.
So…
Windows 10: the “last” windows version
Release Windows 11, requires specific hardware that you can’t realistically add to your existing PC. But Windows 10 will keep being updated
Windows 10 is not getting anymore updates
Love it, no notes.
To be fair, my understanding is the “10 is the last version” idea came from a developer speaking in an unofficial capacity and the media ran with it. It may have never been true.
While that is technically true, Microsoft didn’t really make any effort to correct the misunderstanding, despite it being a widely reported story in tech.
I suspect they had a legitimate faction that was going to say “rolling release” and so they let it go.
It was definitely an official capacity because it was a Microsoft conference, but his phrasing was more like “latest” even though he said last. I think they misspoke.
You can use a win10 key for win11 and vice versa, so you could just see it as an update if it wasn’t for the tpm requirement
Windows 10 LTSC 2021 edition has support until January 13th 2032.
I’d obviously prefer if more people gave Linux a try but if you’re literally forced to use Windows then it’s probably your best option right now.
If my Nvidia graphics card played nicely, I would.
It’s my #1 complaint with Linux… Well Nvidia.
Progress in that regard is actually pretty rampant lately, I can imagine by the time Windows 10 is EOL it will be no different from AMD.
*for 20-series and later graphics cards
Well, it will be slightly different. AMD releases open source drivers. That’s why it works so much better. Nvidia releases proprietary ones and let’s the community handle the open source ones. To the end user, there probably won’t be much difference eventually, but it does hurt progress so they’ll always be slightly behind where they could be.
One of the latest developments is an open-source Nvidia driver developer being hired by Nvidia and continuing their work on it, so it’s technically not fully true anymore. They’ll definitely stay behind for a while longer but it seems to finally be looking good for once.
Installed Linux alongside windows 10. Cachy OS specific with drivers 555 running Wayland without any issues :)
Which card do you possess?
Rtx 3080 12gb vram
🤔that should work with wayland…
Well now you have me wanting to try it again.
The main issue I’ve been having is getting two monitors to work.
Install Linux, one monitor works. Let’s try changing the driver, permanent black screen.
Reinstall Linux, well maybe I can make one monitor work. Nope. Let’s try and change the driver using the terminal. Oh black screen again.
Ok I’ll only use Linux for coding on one monitor, Windows update somehow lost the boot loader for Linux. I’m not good on grub so I just removed Linux afterwards.
I have another older computer, still Nvidia. Let’s do a clean install. No windows, just Linux. Configure proton on steam, hmm it doesn’t launch games. It just says starting then nothing. No errors. Let’s try different compatibilities, still no errors.
What I experienced is, Linux doesn’t tell you what You’re doing wrong, it just doesn’t work. Which isn’t going to work for the majority of computer users.
If something is having an issue, I want to know why, which unfortunately and fortunately Windows does a good job on.
I found the best working linux for me is endeavorOS, which istalls Arch and package manager yay If you want to install anything just write yay „anything“ and choose what to install from the list (google „aur „answer to anything“ „ to check which answer is the app you want) For installing proprietary NVIDIA drivers, there is a tool preinstalled (have to google the name) if you really want.
I’ll try endeavor next time.
If I can get overwatch and steam games to work, I would leave Windows in a heart beat. But I’m also at the point in my life where I can’t spend hours troubleshooting.
What card you using? I have a RTX 3080 and it’s worked fine on Endeavour/KDE (besides Wayland)
Not sure what you have, what your trying to do, and am pretty new to Linux myself, but I’m running KDE neon with a 3070, and after a little work to get drivers updated I’ve had minimal issues!
I’m not doing anything too crazy though, mostly web browsing and gaming is all.
Let’s be honest, real nerds use Gentoo
Better start compiling now so its ready by October
I started my Gentoo compile in 2008. It should be ready by next October.
I did it on sparc way back in the day, took a solid week. Once was enough
Old news, gentoo has binary packages as an option
What’s the point of using Gentoo if you don’t compile?
You don’t have to choose between binary and source, you can get some pre-compiled packages that you don’t care about, but e.g. run a custom kernel at the same time.
a good starter distro but ideally you should make your own from scratch so you know what’s in it
Honestly you’re not a real one until you’ve written your own kernel entirely
You guys would have deployed your own internet protocol if this conversation continued
Writing your own internet protocol is a good idea but you shouldn’t stop there. You need to run your own internet cables too to make sure it does what you want and isn’t controlled by someone else.
And develop your own plastic to cover the cables?
And what are you going to cover with it if you haven’t even started mining your copper and inventing a machine to make your fiber optics.
Wait, maybe we need to start with the electromagnetic spectrum in general.
Oh my god😭
Linux has a good starter kernel but ideally you should
(I wish I was that advanced, maybe some day.)
Weird way to spell NixOS.
Not really any harder then Arch if you know about how linux systems work and didn’t just copy paste or script your entire arch installation.
Linux mint cinnamon but cool cool
I like how they end support for OS without providing an upgrade for a lot of people. Might as well put a Linux ad in their “Your PC is not supported” bullshit.
They even have a guide on how to install Linux: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/linux/install
“Bare Metal Linux”. I like it!
My laptop which is still perfectly usable doesn’t have support for 11. Im probably gonna switch to mint or popos but I know lots of ppl that dont have new laptops and they just fucked? And there are tons of end users that just have no desire to learn some of the intricacies of linux even if it is something mostly simple like mint. They’re gonna have to support security updates when they see the adoption numbers. Just like they had to do with 7 till they basically got to 10.
Now now, let’s keep honest here. They did provide option to install Win 11 on unsupported hardware. It’s just slightly hidden, prolly to avoid people bricking their pc’s an blaming MS. And also it won’t update.
btw
All these gaming anti-cheats better become Linux compatible cause I’m definitely not upgrading to 11
Anti cheat is about the only thing that doesn’t work but I see that as a bonus. Anti cheat is more like a virus than it ever has been with the rootkit thing.
If enough people switch then they’ll be forced to support it
Unfortunately users tend to have a “once they support a platform I’m not on then I’ll swap” mentality
EAC and Battleye both can work with Proton, the developers just need to set it up. Those two cover most of the gaming anticheat market. Battleye should be as simple as the dev telling Battleye to turn on Proton support and EAC should be an SDK upgrade.
It’s all relatively easy to support Linux, people just need to pressure developers to make it happen.
All jokes aside, after hearing that EOL is coming to Win10 this October, I have decided over the summer, before fall quarter is in and I’m back to start my 2nd year of college, that I would definitely be taking everything I need/want off of my desktop and switch to something like mint or MX because of how simple and user friendly they’ve been to me as someone who’s only been using Linux for maybe 2-3 years. Only things I would I need are dedicated time and personal drive to pull that off and a new external drive for storing all my files.
Next October.
I’ve got selective sight, I guess.
For me “next” October and “this” October are the same, lol
The next October I see is in 2024…
Maybe I am strange, but i‘d say October next year to avoid misunderstandings
October 2025.
Even more precise 💪🏻
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
¯_(ツ)_/¯
\ you dropped this
Hell my win10 pc hasnt had an update since '21 so no great loss
That computer better be air gapped. Security updates are essential.
i know you guys are probably right when you say that security updates are important, but why exactly? give me an example of how i could be fucked over while i’m just mindlessly playing my steam games and watching twitch+youtube on a system that hasn’t been updated since 2016.
i blindly assume that as long as i don’t download and run stupid .exes or click stupid links, i am completely fine
You don’t need to click anything suspicious. Remote code execution has in the past been done through images, PDFs, comments on some webpage, or supposedly trustworthy games. Just recently, Minecraft would let an attacker run anything on the victim’s computer due to a vulnerability in Log4j.
If your computer is not directly exposed to the internet, you might get away with some security updates that for example fix vulnerabilities that target the system firewall. But the point is, you’re constantly exposing yourself to attackers without knowing so.
A few example vectors:
-
Cross-Site Scripting (XSS) allows an attacker to run arbitrary code on the victim’s browser. All that’s required is a website that doesn’t validate its input properly. That is, an attacker can write executable code into a YouTube comment and when you view that comment, your computer will execute that code. Obviously YouTube is secured against that, but there are plenty of websites where this attack can be done. Therefore, modern browsers isolate the code execution to only that “browser tab”, so the attacker can’t access some sensitive data (unless the browser has some undiscovered vulnerability or for example the page itself contains sensitive information, say your bank account details). While modern browsers should provide sufficient protection against such attacks, the take-away point is that you don’t necessarily need to click any “suspicious links”. A vulnerability in a well-known website you frequent could be discovered any day.
-
An attacker can easily make your PC go to their website when typing google.com. DNS (how your computer is able to tell which web address is which computer) is not encrypted. It is incredibly easy tamper with. Why you don’t get scammed everyday is because of TLS encryption. Your computer is able to tell that the website is not Google, because it doesn’t have Google’s cryptographic “keys”. Assume that we discover a vulnerability in TLS (encryption of webpages) tomorrow and you refuse to update your operating system. Suddenly, an attacker can route any traffic they’d like back to them and you would be none the wiser. Same thing would happen if some vulnerability is discovered in X509 certificates, if ICANN’s private keys are leaked, and so on.
There are a lot of things that could go wrong. And they go wrong daily. Security updates fix vulnerabilities that we constantly find. They may be updates for your browser, your games, or indeed your operating system, depending on where that vulnerability is. The examples I gave are exaggerated, because they’re meant to be simple to understand. We do not find vulnerabilities in TLS every single day. Still, weak points are being discovered and fixed constantly. One of the bigger exploits were Spectre/Meltdown (attacks on the CPU) that let an attacker read any data they want, provided they can simply run some code on your computer in some way.
Also, obviously, if you expose yourself to the internet directly (e.g. port forwarding) or connect to an unsecure WiFi network, you’ll be bombarded with automated attacks that exploit holes found in firewall and the likes. If you open a port on your computer right now, you’ll get around a few hundred such knocks per day.
There are plenty of videos online that display what happens if you for example use a Windows 95 computer, either directly exposed to the internet or not. Might be worth watching to see just how easy it is for attackers to take over in the case of such an ancient system. Same principles apply to newer systems as well, the attacks are just more complex.
thank you for the explanation and the examples :) i will no longer be so ignorant about security updates
-
For web browsing, that almost makes no difference. As long as the browser is being updated, the most important attack vectors are closed. Even if there are any exploitable vulnerabilities on the OS, that will stop malware from even getting to them.
Absolute joke of a comment. You are assuming the browser is a holy grail completely isolating the internet from the operating system.
First of all. The browser runs on the operating system’s services. In particular, the isolation that you implicitly cite is done entirely by the kernel. (That’s for example why you cannot run chrome in an unprivileged docker container - the crucial isolation-centered system calls are not available) The whole network stack is managed by the operating system. Cryptography can also partially be done OS-sided. The simplest example is CSPRNG, which is usually provided by the OS. (Advanced systems may rely on external physical generators, see Cloudflare’s lava lamps).
Secondly. Completely and utterly wrong. The linked video displays the execution of Meltdown/Spectre within a browser. Using JavaScript. This allows the attacker to gain access to any data they want on your computer simply by running some JavaScript code. Easily remotely executed via XSS on a poorly written website. You may read the full article here. Or inform yourself about Meltdown and Spectre here. How is that relevant? Combating this vulnerability was primarily done via critical OS updates. The exploits are inherit to certain CPUs and are therefore not fully fixable. Still, the combination of BIOS, Chipset, OS, and browser updates help prevent very serious attack vectors. (That’s the reason why the browser’s time measurement is only accurate to about the millisecond.)
So no. Browsers aren’t the magic solution to everything (sorry Ubuntu Snap). They very much depend on the OS providing the assumed security guarantees. And even assuming no direct vulnerabilities in the OS, we can never exclude side-channel attacks, like what Meltdown and Spectre were (or still are if you refuse to update your system).
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
It has no internet connection, so no
You mean yes lol. That’s air gapped.
But see if they started using gentoo like myself. If they start compileing now They will have a full desktop by then