Edit: obligatory explanation (thanks mods for squaring me away)…

What you see via the UI isn’t “all that exists”. Unlike Reddit, where everything is a black box, there are a lot more eyeballs who can see “under the hood”. Any instance admin, proper or rogue, gets a ton of information that users won’t normally see. The attached example demonstrates that while users will only see upvote/downvote tallies, admins can see who actually performed those actions.

Edit: To clarify, not just YOUR instance admin gets this info. This is ANY instance admin across the Fediverse.

  • Muddybulldog@mylemmy.winOPEnglish
    131·
    1 year ago

    Knowing they’re visible on kbin made me realize that most Lemmy users probably weren’t aware, as it’s non-obvious.

    • theinspectorst@kbin.social
      62·
      1 year ago

      Yeah, I had a good natured discussion with a Lemmy user on feddit.uk the other day where they were still inexplicably downvoting my responses each time, despite us both being polite and constructive.

      It made me realise that a) they use the downvote button quite differently to how I use it and b) they probably didn’t know that I, as a kbinaut, could literally see they were the one downvoting.

    • czech@no.faux.moe
      341·
      1 year ago

      Yea, good call. I wonder if kbin makes them viewable because the activity pub protocol does not allow them to be easily hidden.

      • PixelPassport
        75·
        1 year ago

        Seems to be Ernest’s attitude about that sort of thing, he doesn’t like to hide things from the average user that someone more technically inclined would still be able to access

          • PixelPassport
            6·
            1 year ago

            Yeah I think it’s great! I was on kbin originally but I’m a sucker for a nice app UI. I’ll definitely be using it more once the apps are here.

            I also can’t find my lemm.ee community through kbin and I think it’s some kind of federation issue, I’m sure it will get fixed.

            • Coelacanth@feddit.nu
              6·
              1 year ago

              Kbin and Lemmy are having huge federation issues at the moment, with stuff from Lemmy commonly having a multiple hour delay before showing on Kbin and sometimes it doesn’t show up at all. It might be a bug so we’ll see how it works when the next Lemmy version comes out.

              • Dave@lemmy.nz
                4·
                1 year ago

                Let’s be fair, lemmy instances are having the same issues federating, especially getting posts from the big instances. I presume it’s a server load thing.

          • PixelPassport
            1·
            1 year ago

            This is what I was thinking of! I’m still learning how to find things on the fediverse, did you use one of the search engines?

            • Teppic@kbin.social
              2·
              1 year ago

              If you figure out a good way let me know! I knew I’d seen this post but to find it again … well, I used Google to find a discussion on codeburg, and that had a link back to kbin!

          • PixelPassport
            6·
            1 year ago

            Kbin is another open source link aggregation program with a different developer that uses the same protocol as Lemmy (ActivityPub), so kbin and Lemmy instances can communicate with each other. If you see anyone with “@kbin.social” after their name then that’s where they’re from. You can check it out yourself here as well kbin.social

      • XanXic@lemmy.world
        112·
        1 year ago

        It’s apparently because it’s Twitter based and Twitter shows likes and such. Kbin doesn’t really have a like upvote downvotes thing. It’s like a favorite and a boost. It’s weird

          • JohnEdwa@kbin.social
            8·
            1 year ago

            Currently yes, but before they started federating they didn’t. That’s why Kbin has both Boost (retweet), and the Favourite (like) is the “upvote”, which end up here https://kbin.social/fav - and until very recently, those didn’t increase your reputation.

            Kbin is (was) less like Reddit and more like Twitter with downvotes.

      • Muddybulldog@mylemmy.winOPEnglish
        5·
        1 year ago

        That’s a pretty reasonable hypothesis. I wouldn’t imagine the motivator was to deliberately create conflict.