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    Inflation is out of control. Housing is unaffordable. The healthcare system is broken. Everyone is drowning in student debt. Ecosystems are collapsing. We’re constantly on the brink of war.

    This is a better description of Trump’s presidency than Biden’s, especially right now when inflation is not out of control, and Biden has done everything he can to forgive student loans.

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      That’s how it always works. Republicans shit in the bed, but it’s only uncovered after a Democrat gets elected. Then they fix everything, only for the next republican to start the process over.

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      I mean none of these things got better under any president in recent memory, they just got eroded a lot less quickly under certain ones

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        Didn’t Obama try to come up with a healthcare solution that was undermined by conservatives? Which Trump tried to neuter as hard as possible?

        Didn’t Biden try to forgive student loans, which conservatives kept stopping?

        I feel the “both sides are doing it” argument isn’t entirely true.

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          You’re absolutely right that there IS a difference between the two parties.

          But Obama’s healthcare plan was a rebrand of a Heritage foundation (conservative) plan that had been enacted at the state level by Romney in Massachusetts, and the most progressive part (the Medicaid expansion) was a last minute compromise to make the plan CHEAPER because the majority of the plan is a tax payer subsidized government enforced insurance monopoly. It hasn’t ended medical bankruptcies and it doesn’t cover everyone.

          Biden is actually better than I expected, while he gave in to the antics of Sinema and Manchin a little too easily and he’s still drilling oil and gas, the “Inflation Reduction Act” is the best climate and infrastructure legislation we’ve had, just 20 years late and still too little. Meanwhile he lets the courts roll him on student loans, on reproductive rights, etc.

          So yeah, the Democrats are better than the Republicans but they still SUCK.

          Since Eugene McCarthy in the early 70s to Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow Coalition, and recently Bernie, working inside the Democrats has not worked. But obviously neither has working outside. We need to keep trying, and I wish I had a better answer. But we need to do better than the Democrats.

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          With respect, it looked like a “try” in many cases but consider his decades in politics and knowing likely outcomes of any given proposal. Then consider his best of the best, Ivy League-educated cabinet, advising him on every chess move. If you don’t look at both sides, you might find yourself in a disingenuous ruse.

          I tried but what could I do?
          How could I have known Joe Manshun would say no?
          We didn’t have a filibuster proof majority (which we could have eliminated with a simple rule change like we did with the debt ceiling- but oddly didn’t for infrastructure).
          Oh those legal challenges came out of left field and our best and brightest from Harvard never saw it coming.
          I co-authored the bankruptcy bill that exempted student debt when I was a Senator but now my intentions are different. Student debtors, I’m on your side now. Don’t you see?

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              But my original point was that no matter whats been tried very little benefit has been felt. Do you remmeber any president talking about how we’re quite literally killing our planet? Any of them say we need to stop drilling oil and actually follow through? Its all a distraction to make you forget how the world is falling apart around us and we are doing almost nothing to stop it

              Also I never said it was his fault. Try as hard as you want when over half the government refuses to govern makes it a bit hard.

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        Trump was literally on Twitter bullying the fed chair to not raise rates, threatening to fire him. The inflation situation is very uniquely his fault.

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          The inflation is caused by a conglomeration of things, and mostly not from us giving out stimulus. Trump is a clown but he didn’t cause the inflation.

          The inflation is supply side. That means it’s caused by reduced stuff, not increased money. The Russian war caused oil to skyrocket and that caused a significant amount of the inflation.

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            Wrong. Just… wrong. Too wrong to care to fix. You cannot say, “it’s complicated, buuuuut it’s this other thing and TOTALLY not the other partt of the equation!”

            You are dumb if you think it is supply side only. Purely, utterly stupid.

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          And he bitched about the Fed under Obama for keeping interest rates low and claimed that the real unemployment rate was like 42%.

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            It’s not something that magically flips on or off… It’s a result of market pressures. Pressure takes time to move things like markets. Trump very early on elevated the pressure, and COVID made sure the average working person was never going to match it. That’s the inflation we’ve seen.

            Inflation happens constantly because rich fucking morons designed the economy to require it in order to open their own avenues and justify their own jobs.

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              We’re saying the same thing. The system is designed this way. Also most “inflation” is just corporate greed and seeing how much they can take from the poor

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                Not really. You keep trying to say negative things in response to positive news about “Biden’s economy”, type stuff. I was responding to you asking questions about inflation.

                While Biden does not have his hand on some magical economy wheel, to repeatedly bring up negative things in response to positive discussion absolutely comes across as partisan gaslighting.

                You are talking as if you are a partisan hack. I am talking as if I know things about the economy. We are not the same.

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                  The “economy” is rich people’s bank accounts, not the health of the population, not the happiness, not the wellbeing

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        Things got infinitely better for the rich under Reagan. Remember Ronald Reagan, the corporate, senile puppet who taxed grandmothers on Social Security while giving huge tax cuts to the wealthy and also opening the door to corporate raiding?

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      People unfortunately still have the perception that inflation is out of control despite it being under 3%.

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    The real problem is pronouns. We have to get rid of them. Nothing but proper nouns.

    “George likes proper nouns in George’s sentences.”

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    If they want a dick pick. All they have to do is ask.

    I won’t judge.

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    Just to clarify the point: Republicans only shriek about issues like transgenderism to put the focus on these non-issues, away from real issues like healthcare, poverty and inequality, war, climate change, etc…

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      “It’s God’s judgement.”

      Reprobate nation and all that stuff. It’s like lesbians causing hurricanes.

      To them, these are - or can be - connected.

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        Funny how they never comment on the high rate of floods, drought and tornados in the Bible Belt.

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          That’s gods punishment on them for not fighting the gay agenda hard enough. Once all the gays are back in the closet and all the babies are forced to be born and all the schools are Christian, the tornadoes will stop.

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      Which is why these issues and the left identitarian fringe that pushes them to center stage are so problematic. It takes two to tango.

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      Why aren’t the Democrats addressing those issues. Do they just shriek about other things? I feel like they shriek about the same things, actually, and that’s how culture war bullshit serves both “sides”, or should we say the two available flavours of neoliberalism.

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        1. They are, but you aren’t looking.
        2. They’re pretty centrist so it won’t always be as aggressive as it should be.
        3. The GOP has literally, out loud, said in the past that their goal is to literally obstruct and vote down basically every single piece of Democrat legislation and there was a long time where two pretty rightwing fuckers were spending more time voting with Republicans than anything else and that really got in the way.

        So, I dunno, pay more attention?

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          No, I’m not American and it’s already annoying how much I have to hear about US politics. Republicans are clearly much worse.

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    Of course those genitals are important! If they don’t do that, then their god will not magically fix said problems. They themselves are of course powerless to do anything about it. Far too busy lining their and their donors pockets!

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    If conservatives want to be a part of the solution, they can be. But they aren’t.

    Newt Gingrich was the last Republican to create policy and even he is problematic.

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    The older I get the more apt this aphorism becomes:

    Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.

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    They’ve missed the entire point. It’s about manufacturing outrage to distract from things people should really care about.

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    Meh. The illusion is starts to fade at the mention of student debt and totally broken with the word “ecosystems”. Need to dial up the conservative and make it about how jobs don’t pay enough or how much you have to run the AC now days. Also, not sure about the war part being bad in a conservative view, rather it’s that we don’t really win wars anymore.

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    Image Transcription: Social Media


    Low Quality Facts, @lowqualityfacts…

    For the sake of empathy, I ask you all to take a second to consider things from the perspective of Conservatives:

    Inflation is out of control. Housing is unaffordable. The healthcare system is broken. Everyone is drowning in student debt. Ecosystems are collapsing. We’re constantly on the brink of war.

    So naturally, one would ask, how can we even hope to solve these daunting and complex issues if we do not have detailed information on the genitals of every American citizen?

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    Why couldn’t there be a party that people vote and also that has sane economic policies AND sane social policies? Why do the tribes have to be “good at one thing, horrible at the other”?