• SCB@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    The Panama Papers weren’t swept under a rug, you just didn’t follow news on them.

    https://www.icij.org/investigations/panama-papers/five-years-later-panama-papers-still-having-a-big-impact/

    Also Epstein 100% killed himself, and unsealing this info won’t tell you anything meaningful, because predators who hide among the rich don’t fucking tell every person they meet that they’re a predator.

    Conspiracy theories are never a good look on anyone.

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      I’m not real big on conspiracy theories.

      The video being lost around the original attempt is rather suspect, but him finding something to hang himself with again… He should have been in a paper gown in a padded room. We have tons and tons of suicidal people in asylums and jail that are not given an opportunity to hang themselves.

      Someone as high profile as him and with a cell mate?

      I’m not saying he 100% didn’t kill himself, but It sure as hell looks like somebody went through a lot of trouble to provide him opportunity.

      The hidden people on the list that makes this list so inconsequential are the same exact people with the type of reach it would need to make sure he didn’t start naming names.

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        He doesn’t need to name names, because they have his computers, documents, etc. This conspiracy theory is as full of holes as QAnon shit.

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          Yeah, no need to answer anything I point out just put your hands over your ears and tell me I’m QANON and full of shit that’ll really make your point and help your position here.

          Come to think of it maybe there’s a reason you’re getting all the down votes…

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            “Conspiracy theories” have ironically enough become weaponized as a thought terminating cliche. Am I supposed to not wonder what about his guards and what they were doing, or the camera feeds, or the people getting paid six figures to handle his case, or the dozens of other loose ends?

            There are enormous efforts being taken to gaslight people out of their curiosity about this case.

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            11 months ago

            I also responded to your “points”

            The downvotes are just “rich people bad” shit, same as ever.

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              Hopping into this conversation to say: that person is right; I’m not downvoting you because “rich people bad”. I’m downvoting you because you aren’t engaging in this discussion to share ideas and understand the other person. Your approach in this discussion is very much one of shutting down thinking that opposes yours. That doesn’t get a dialog going; it ends it. You can do with that as you like, but I thought I’d speak up for myself so you don’t mischaracterize my downvote.

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                And yet your take here has nothing to do with the reality of Epstein’s crimes nor his suicide. It has nothing to do with the actual suicides passed off as conspiracies.

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      Too bad you’re already getting down voted… people do love a good conspiracy story

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      There are people who collect and document the information from the Epsteins of the world for blackmail. It was how Hoover built the FBI. I am not claiming that Epstein was murdered, but anyone who tries to cash in on the information that Epstein had, would have information that destroys lives. Desperate people do act desperately. I would guess that little ‘conspiracies’ abound, as people try to not be outed.; non-disclosure agreements, for example.

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      It’s always sad watching someone get a downvote by someone who hates facts, logic and reason. Conspiratards gonna tard.

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        It doesn’t matter if you’re being truthful. If you’re being a smug dickhead and talking down to people to feed your sense of superiority, I will downvote.

        There are enough of those in the fediverse as it is, we don’t need any more incentives.

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        And deniers of the obvious may continue sucking the CIA’s cock.

        But re Gary Webb. You are correct. He totally committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. Twice.

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          He totally committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. Twice.

          This, but unironically. That’s why his wife corroborates it.

          Here’s a clue to avoiding conspiracy theories: if it is something you really want to be true because it feels right, it probably isn’t true and is instead spread around by other people with that same feeling.

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            Most conspiracy theories are bullshit, no doubt. But not all of them are, and it’s pretty hard to judge which might be true by the claims alone, because by nature they are pretty fantastical.

            In 1974 before the Church Committee revealed it, you’d have dismissed anyone telling you about MKUltra and I wouldn’t blame you.

            But it really did happen.

            Did Epstein kill himself? Probably? But the circumstances are definitely eyebrow raising…

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        If you think Epstein’s death was not ridiculously suspicious, I’m sorry, you the tard.