I don’t think we can trust any information obtained by the Shin Bet. They’re infamous for torturing and killing Palestinians.
Kamal Adwan Hospital director Ahmad Kahlot of Jabalya in northern Gaza has confessed to the Shin Bet that Hamas took over his hospital as a military operations center, it was revealed on Tuesday.
Kahlot told his interrogators that he joined Hamas in 2010 at the equivalent rank of a brigadier general.
If you put someone in enough pain, they will say anything to make it stop. Notice how he is wearing a thick, heavy jacket that covers all exposed skin except his face.
Yep.
Torture just gets you the answer you’re looking for, because it’s the only way to stop the torture.
I could be tortured into admitting that me and the Muffin Man blew up the North Pole in an attempt to kill Santa and finally bring an end to the war on Christmas.
Doesn’t mean Santa and the Muffin Man are real.
So…you acted alone?
The Easter Bunny funded the operation along with intelligence provided by the Halloween Ferret
You conspiracy theorists are close but you really need to start shaving with Occam’s razor. The tooth fairies have all the money and the network for recon.
Post is being reported as “propaganda” as any story that leads with “told his interrogators” likely should.
The media source meets our guidelines for accuracy and bias:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-jerusalem-post/
I, personally, am choosing to ignore the report. Locking or removing the post prevents discussion on the accuracy of it and information obtained under duress.
Good call.
Just deleting just feeds the conspiracy that it’s being “silenced” without providing the context that confessions after torture mean nothing.
How much evidence do we have that MediaBiasFactCheck is reliable? I’ve seen AllSides and it seems to have better collaboration with researchers and a feature to see disagreement among users. It seems to be overall more open to its data and methods. MediaBiasFactCheck won’t share its data readily.
One of the more infamous examples that I’ve seen people quote is The Times of Israel… It’s rated as “left center” despite its cofounder financing right-wing groups that one time. I would at least argue that anyone who reads ToI regularly would most likely agree more with this rating from Biasly. ToI has been blindly parroting IDF claims without challenging them in any journalistic fashion, yet we are somehow to believe it’s highly credible?
It’s not rated on AllSides (which seems to focus on US media, not international ones), but if it were rated under their methods, they would at least rate it on its bias by omission.
Allsides is more of a left/center/right bias check rather than a credibility check:
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/jerusalem-post-media-bias
But I’m not seeing anything that calls them out as not credible, other than the usual fake Facebook posts falsely claiming to be from JP when they are not.
About Jerusalem Post, I don’t have a problem with them as a source as in that they report what Israeli officials say… What I don’t trust them on is journalistic integrity in this story (and I have not read much else by them so I can’t judge) - edit: to clarify, if you’re a journalist and you get a story like that from a prison known for its torture, but you ask no questions about that and carry the confessions of a potentially tortured and coerced man to the public… That’s not neutral journalism, that’s just bad journalism.
I’ve been looking for other sites similar to Biasly, MBFC, and AllSides but very few exist. MBFC apparently isn’t even run by journalists or experts but rather volunteers, and they rely on their own internal “field tests” to legitimize their ratings. I’d rather at least know only the leaning bias from AllSides instead of a very unscientific leaning + credibility bias from MBFC.
Several news bodies are reporting this story. I guess I could wait until one that you trust pops up.
I’d wait for a story that reports the facts outside interrogation techniques, but I think we’ll be waiting a loooong time on that one.
We know that Hamas tunnels were found in hospital complexes. We know by video evidence that hostages were taken to hospitals in plain sight. We know by hostage testimony that doctors kept them jailed. This story isn’t too far out of the scope of things.
Why is it important? The hospitals are financed by the World Health Organization, part of the UN. The US spends a lot of tax dollars supporting WHO, only for it to used by a terrorist organization
The allegation isn’t about the tunnels, it’s about the director of the hospital, other hospital staff, and other hospital infrastructure (ambulances) as being owned by Hamas that’s questionable due to having been obtained by interrogation techniques.
It may very well be true, but I’m not going to take the interrogators word that it is, nor should anyone else.
How would it be true for you though? It’s not like this evidence is likely to be sourced any other way. People are not going to admit to being used by a terrorist organization freely.
Gee, I dunno, maybe if Israel would let investigative reporters in without trying to kill them we might get some actual answers.
https://cpj.org/2023/12/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/
"As of December 17:
64 journalists and media workers were confirmed dead: 57 Palestinian, 4 Israeli, and 3 Lebanese.
13 journalists were reported injured.
3 journalists were reported missing.
19 journalists were reported arrested.
Multiple assaults, threats, cyberattacks, censorship, and killings of family members."
More on the CPJ:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/committee-to-protect-journalists/
Now we’re on to journalists? Nice defection, but I think we’ll end this here.
How horrible of them to have taken those injured hostages to a hospital 😂
We know by hostage testimony that doctors kept them jailed. T
Could you provide a source for this? 🤔
Even if it is the case, does it justify killing literally everyone inside?
This.
Basically this man was most likely forced to say this.
But if it’s true, and that’s not unlikely either, only a genocidal asshole would shoot through a baby to kill a terrorist. In fact, just today they announced killing a “Hamas moneyman” in a “targeted attack”, but all we have are the bodies of the entire family of one journalist wiped out of existence, including the journalist himself… To kill one “Hamas moneyman”.
That’s it boys, time to blow up every hospital in Palestine as that seems to be the only reasonable response to this.
Jerusalem post is notoriously biased, if not just a blatant mouthpiece for Israeli propaganda.
Oh yea, that justifies murdering thousands of civilians!
It certainly removes any Geneva Convention protections so that’ll work out well for the Palestinians inside
Does it? 😬
No, it doesn’t. One crime doesn’t absolve the other.
No, it literally does. Read it.
Further, he described Hamas as having its own separate offices, ambulances, and equipment with different colors and signs.
Does it means that a foreign army should have known the difference between civilian and military ambulances ?
This is the best summary I could come up with for comments to this post:
“Hey look, it goes against our running narrative, probably shouldn’t trust it!”
Why is a good question. It’s almost like Hamas is no longer a terrorist organization for some.
Says the person posting pro-israel propaganda religiously.
Kind of a counter to your own narrative I would guess.
Your narrative is raggedy and despicable, but it’s not like you’re going to stop so I’ll just keep pointing it out whenever I see it.
My narrative is that Hamas are terrorists supported by Iran. You may disagree, but that is no reason for me to bent out of shape because you do. So we are a bit different.
Like I said, your narrative is raggedy. I’ll add that it’s overly simplistic as well.
It’s almost like some people use “Hamas” to refer to any Palestinian!
N.B. fuck hamas, and fuck bibi
This story is about a hospital 8n Gaza and Hamas, not Palestine
That is a story about Palestine.
Hamas is literally the Gazan government. Do you have an issue with all persons operating under the ruling political party (that has held no elections in a long time) or is your problem with the Qassam Brigades?
Hamas has been designated a terrorist organization since 1997
That’s an evasive non-answer. It would have been better if you simply didn’t respond.
Empty non answers mean you know you’re wrong
So is your issue with the Gazan government or with the Qassam Brigades?
Palestinian death toll in Gaza nears 20,000 with nearly 2m people displaced
“But some guy said Hamas was there!”
How convenient for Israel that every man, woman, and child keeps a Hamas commander in their back pocket at all times, apparently.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Kamal Adwan Hospital director Ahmad Kahlot of Jabalya in northern Gaza has confessed to the Shin Bet that Hamas took over his hospital as a military operations center, it was revealed on Tuesday.
Kahlot told his interrogators that he joined Hamas in 2010 at the equivalent rank of a brigadier general.
Next, he said that many of the hospital staff double as members of Hamas’s al-Qassam brigades.
More specifically, he said that the hospital had 16 staff members who doubled as terror operatives for Hamas.
Kahlot was arrested on December 12 and since then has explained in detail how Hamas concealed its weapons and wove its operations into the workings of the hospital.
Further, he described Hamas as having its own separate offices, ambulances, and equipment with different colors and signs.
The original article contains 164 words, the summary contains 131 words. Saved 20%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
I mean, did anyone think this wasn’t the case?
Of course then bombing hospitals would not be the solution
Not at all surprising that this would be the case, we are talking about Hamas after all, a murderous organization of extremists who carried out the October 7 atrocities. These people are amoral criminals.
Of course, this in no way justifies the Israeli apartheid regime’s own atrocities. They nurtured and supported Hamas hoping to destroy the credibility of the PA and perpetuate their colonialist narrative. And now they continue to use it to fulfill their extremist ultranationalistic/ fundamentalist religious delusions.
The PLO is the only sane party to this conflict, the only stakeholder with a sensible, reasonable and moderate position. Fuck the Israeli government and fuck Hamas.
I thought this was already an established fact? It still doesn’t justify Israel murdering countless innocent civilians.
“No shit” -anyone without a tiktok account
What has tiktok to do with this?
