Too obvious to be funny, but i still wanted to draw a shitpost.

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    It’s hardly an exaggeration of enemy faults when the enemies self-identify as fascists or are a bunch of transphobes who can’t even handle the existence of pronoun tags. And yes, transphobes and fascists are my enemies, these people literally want to kill me or want to deny my right to exist as myself in public and live a dignified life. I won’t have that here, or anywhere we can extend our influence. As somebody else said, go to the bottom of the page and check our modlog. We’re open and transparent about our moderation policy, everybody can see which mod actions were taken and why. For context, we normally have a person like that show up every other day at most, now we have to purge bigots all the time. Maybe your standards are too low to get this, maybe you think “nonbinary people don’t exist” or “stop using pronouns” isn’t hate speech, but it is. These are reactionary talking points and idgaf if you’re fine with such people infiltrating your instance, we will keep our community safe from harm as we’ve done before when such issues came up. Being an inclusive, safer space takes active work and it includes stepping on people’s toes and kicking people out who can’t behave.

    • Doug [he/him]@midwest.social
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      Nope, I’m with you on all that. That’s also not what the comic is highlighting. Trans people exist and deserve all the rights everyone else has. Transphobes are pieces of shit and should be dealt with accordingly.

      “I think Western institutions and media are not being entirely honest about their geopolitical opinions” is not like the phrasing I see from hexbear users out in the wild.

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        “I think Western institutions and media are not being entirely honest about their geopolitical opinions” is not like the phrasing I see from hexbear users out in the wild.

        What you see is the logical conclusion of when you step back and realize that people are always supporting this year’s war drive and claiming last year’s war drive is ancient history and all in the past.

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          You say that like a whole lot of us didn’t have that realization decades ago.

          No experience is universal and your logical conclusion won’t be the same for everyone.

          Even if it were by throwing something aggressive in the face of someone who isn’t even on the same road you’re just going to come off as an ass. You drive others deeper into their position rather than getting anywhere productive. Which you may not care about on the surface, but then I’d argue you’re just pushing a different war drive.

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            You drive others deeper into their position

            You say that like they haven’t held that position through multiple farcical wars.

            I’m not the one driving them deeper into their position. They have chosen to do so themselves. Which is why they are more concerned about my civility than the millions starved and killed in the name of the rules based international order.

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              they are more concerned about my civility than the millions starved and killed in the name of the rules based international order.

              You say that like your know their level of concern or activity in regards to those.

              Consider someone starting to consider view points beyond how they were raised. Are they more or less likely to go toward someone with inflammatory rhetoric? The concept of a pipeline is hardly a new one.

              Believe it or not the world isn’t divisible into two camps. Why would you not encourage people to flow towards a direction that should be inviting?

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                You say that like your know their level of concern or activity in regards to those.

                it’s self evident, given the issues they raise

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                  11 months ago

                  Being able to tell the concerns of a person based off limited interactions over the Internet is a skill the world has never observed.

                  Being willing to assume you know such things, however, is incredibly common

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                Consider someone starting to consider view points beyond how they were raised.

                unironically, the bullying takes work. many of the people on this website are here because they got pressured for bad takes, got shocked and confused, and stuck around to learn more. others went wow those commies are funny and ended up doing the reading. civility only protects the status quo. we live in a fucked up world and pretending it’s not by masking how fucked up it is that people defend that status quo serves absolutely no one but the powerful. any tool that breaks people away from that reflexive defensive posture towards extant power is only an immeasurable good.

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                  So if it breaks one person away but twenty more say they knew they were right about all them and refuse to ever attempt to engage in discussion again, that’s good?

                  Yeah, it’s fucked. We have people insisting that trans people are grooming kids while preachers keep getting arrested for actually doing far more than the trans folks are even accused of. But if you throw a whole lot of the country into the deep end of the pool they’ll just drown while they take all the lifeguards down with them. But if you can let them dip their toes in the shallow end then you may find them swimming laps before you realize.

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                    queer people started getting rights and acceptance after they started throwing bricks, not before. rights are taken, never granted. the genocidal policies will succeed in their project if they are not met forcefully. as a trans person, you can fuck all the way off - I will not be polite and civil with people who think my right to exist is open to debate. to accept the premise and engage in debate denies my own humanity. I exist, the people I love exist, and we will fight to the grave anyone who denies it. and I abso-fucking-lutely do not give a shit about the feelings of debatelords.

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        11 months ago

        is aesthetically different or semantically different? because that’s pretty much what I see. people get aggro about it sometimes but the semantic content of what they’re saying is still what’s in the image.

        • Doug [he/him]@midwest.social
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          aesthetics can still matter. If I say I disagree with you or I say I think you’re a stupid piece of trash there are people who would consider that to be aesthetically different but they convey a different message that will be received different.

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            tone policing sucks ass. I will not be polite and civil with people who callously disregard human lives. civility is the false peace, a white, middle class sensibility that I refuse to adopt. civility masks the underlying tensions that mark our fucked up world, pretending everything is hunky dory. fuck that. bring the tensions into the light. it’s only then that we stand any chance of resolving them. I’m not afraid of conflict. bring it on.

      • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net
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        is not like the phrasing I see from hexbear users out in the wild.

        What’s the phrasing, show an example or two, don’t just assert back your shit up bro

        • Doug [he/him]@midwest.social
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          Its so funny how you guys became so used to being able to live in an echo chamber of western capitalist propaganda on reddit, then moved here, then had that bubble popped by us and lemmygrad, then became INCREDIBLY DESPERATE to get away from opinions you previously were sheltered from. Its just a funny reaction to witness.

          Probably not the most extreme example but it was relatively easy to find

          • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net
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            uh, am I supposed to see an issue with that statement?

            Dougee we’ve gotten transphobes, pedos, racists and incels coming into our instance, if that’s the worst you got from us, consider yourself lucky

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              So because some people are so much worse it’s ok to be crappy? That doesn’t really jive with me. We should all always be trying to be better than we have been before.

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                Those “crappy” people prove the point the op you quoted was making, people in other instances ARE hyper sensitive to critiques of western capitalism, that’s just an easily observable fact, and it’s not rude or out of order to point it out

                People in this instance including me are more than willing to engage in good faith with those curious about our politics, but there will be no toleration of bigotry or blind faith in a vicious ideology that is cooking the earth

                If we’re defedrated because of those principles, so be it shrug-outta-hecks

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                So because some people are so much worse it’s ok to be crappy

                Yeah. People reciprocate affection and vitriol, and being civil towards bigots is not a virtue. It’s just a point of exploitation for bad faith posters to exacerbate divisions and legitimize their bigotries.

                Also, it’s the internet. Log off. I set my feed to local to avoid the other lemmy instances. Do that on midwest.social please.

                That doesn’t really jive with me. We should all always be trying to be better than we have been before.

                The vulgarity and dismissiveness come forth in Hexbear after an established pattern from a user, native or visiting, of bad faith arguments, bigotry, and apologia for anticommunist institutions, policies, and states. People who come from other instances, that act in the aforementioned manner, aren’t starting from the position of blind and unwilful ignorance curious of the world, political theory, or political economy and willing to know, discuss, and consider alternative perspectives.

                Those bad faith posters, when discussing politics, work backwards from their conclusions. They engineer reasons for their prejudices and are unable and unwilling to overcome cognitive dissonance, reject all counterarguments as propaganda and just refer people as bots/paid shills/stooges or other dehumanizing flags to label dissidents.

                If you’re not a concern troll, agree to disagree, and go away. Ask your instance to defederate if its unbearable for you.