• KimJongGoku@lemmygrad.ml
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    I hate you for starting federation shortly after I made a second account specifically for hexbear

  • Quaxamilliom [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    Last week I was at the movies by myself to see Barbie and a big group of Hexbear users sat behind me and in the middle of the movie I opened up a can of beans to eat and one of the hexbear users yelled ‘Hey everybody, this nerd is eating beans!’ and the whole theater laughed at me. Thats why i will always hate you.

  • impiri@lemm.ee
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    You have a games community but zero mentions of either Excite Truck or Excitebots: Trick Racing

    • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      You’re correct to be jealous of us. Although, I think we managed to port that feature upstream to the main Lemmy thingy as an optional feature? Check with your instance administrator!

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    I wonder if it’s because you have an in-culture that they don’t understand. I haven’t bothered to look it up, but like what is chapotraphouse? I think it was a podcast, then a subreddit, but what does it mean?

    I don’t hate you tho, just saying.

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      Chapo Trap House is a leftish comedy podcast with three (later four, then five, now back to three) hosts that knew each other from twitter. It mostly commented on happenings in politics with regular segments going over the latest right wing bullshit, and was one of few places that would criticize the democrats as well. The /r/chapotraphouse subreddit was nominally for discussion of the podcast but it quickly outgrew that and became a general-purpose left-wing subreddit with a focus on irreverent shitposting and hostility towards outsiders. Fast-forward a bit and the podcast hosts remark that they don’t like the subreddit anymore because people were criticizing them for various things, but nonetheless the subreddit continued to grow. A long-running joke that the “official podcast of the subreddit” was actually an entirely different podcast called Citations Needed began.

      /r/cth was getting too big for the admins at reddit (one of whom thinks he’ll own slaves in the post-apocalypse to give you an idea of their politics) and was banned for ill-defined reasons of “promoting hate” against slave owners (perhaps the reddit admin was insulted by this). In the aftermath of the banning, some people got together on a discord channel and a variety of volunteers got to work creating the website chapo.chat using lemmy. A couple months(?) later, chapo.chat was complete, though it forked from lemmy relatively early on and would be unable to federate for some time. A variety of comms were made, including /c/chapotraphouse, which then was ostensibly for discussion of both Chapo Trap House and Citations Needed, though this wasn’t enforced or anything.

      After some time, the admins decided to change the site name from chapo.chat to hexbear.net, because they no longer wished to associate with the podcast. In a completely failed attempt to encourage the growth of other communites on the site, the default “Main” comm was closed. Rather than this leading to the increased use of other comms that the admins were hoping for, /c/chapotraphouse became the new default comm. And finally, after much work from the dev team, hexbear.net reverted back to lemmy and was able to federate.

      In summary: Chapo Trap House is a podcast.

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      I wonder if it’s because you have an in-culture that they don’t understand.

      Definitely partially true. Some people have read posts here and made posts elsewhere saying things like “they’re right wingers pretending to be leftist” because they can’t understand satire and irony without having it spelled out to them and they’re automatically trying to assume the worst instead of realising that the entire instance is irony poisoned.

    • DefinitelyNotAPhone [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      CTH is a podcast, the subreddit was originally about it but quickly became its own thing. The podcast is your typical Brooklyn leftist hot couch thing where you get a bit of theory mixed in with a lot of jokes and parasocial relationships.

      A long running joke is that the subreddit/Hexbear is actually a Citations Needed fanclub, because it’s a much a better podcast.

  • Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml
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    I support most of what is said here, but users from here tend to be very aggressive and combative. Everything is politics and pretending otherwise is very lib, so I can both understand why you do it and why people find it annoying.

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      We are aggressive and combative against racism, ableism, transaphobia or when someone is attacking one of us or our community…that is what gives us the moral high ground.

      Those are literally the only things we have got remotely aggressive with on the fediverse so far.

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      In the early days, this sub was constantly brigaded by chuds, terfs, libs, patsocs, wreckers and branches of leftism that were somehow even more online than us and had an irrational hatred of us for reasons that frankly I never cared enough to bother learning. Like any such place, that means we’re used to people coming in “just asking questions” with a bad take, and turning out to be a concern troll rather than someone asking in good faith and open to changing their mind.

      This produced a culture of radical, frank struggle sessions, an approach to moderation that the Cheka circa 1919 would think lacks due process (and is good and cool and has made this place possibly the most LGBT friendly place on the net.), and a bad habit of dunking for a laugh. We’re not nearly as edgy as a first impression might give, though.

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      We’re hyper aggressive when it comes to certain things like hate.

      This is then used by racists and bigots to claim we’re aggressive all the time. And because they say it ALL THE TIME it begins to be believed by people, even if that’s literally the only context in which they’ve seen our people get that hostile.

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    It’s because we’re loud, incredibly active, argumentative, and most importantly we are generally speaking unified. Yes there are differences, but compare the pushback when a hexbear posts something pro-china vs when someone else posts something anti-china. We’ll get maybe 2-3 responses, all of which will immediately get dogpiled anyway. They’ll get 10 of us. We also all upvote the takes we all agree on, so much so that it looks like vote manipulation. No other group on the fediverse has that type of unity, even if they broadly agree with each other.

    Also the giant emojis probably don’t help lol.

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      TL;DR first because I got rant-y

      Hexbear and Lemmygrad formed to be leftist first and individual interests second. So your take is spot-on. I also think that they get mad that Hexbear doesn’t have the option to downvote. So they don’t get the satisfaction of the power trip and makes them even more pissed off. lol

      The funny thing about people thinking we are assholes is that between here, lemmy.ml, and lemmygrad.ml I have found this instance to be the most chill. I find myself more concerned about getting attacked on lemmy.ml for even trying to say something that is not in-line with the western media narrative. I am a bit worried about getting jumped on for misunderstanding or having a bad take on lemmygrad. However I have begun to be better at thinking about how I say/ask things when replying to posts. Which I think is overall a good thing and have better accepted that even if I may disagree with folks, that it is better to learn more about those things over all.

      For all the shit that I am learning and seeing that gets said about here and lemmygrad. Those folks on lemmy.ml and the other instances are just beyond quick to just outright refuse to take a moment to consider that they are not questioning shit at all. Just super binary “good or evil.” Even if they agree that their “side” has historically both lied and done super fucked up shit. It is still unwavering “still much better than insert whatever shit they think anti-capitalism has done to so many people.” They completely misunderstand that us “tankies” are just dumb motherfuckers brainwashed into thinking that AES nations never did anything wrong. It also doesn’t help that even “progressive” liberals are so firmly conserned about being super slightly left of dead centre. To go around talking shit about how the hammer and sickle should be treated the same as the Nazi swastika. Still believing that the US is the reason we won the war. Nor do they realize how the Cold War was completely kicked off by the western allies renegging on promises made to the USSR for helping recoup. That the massive build-up of nukes was due to our own war hawks lying about the supposed rapid build-up of anything from the Soviets. Cuba and USSR are always the “war mongers” for putting nukes on Cuba, but the US’s shit in Europe/Turkiey.

      • barrbaric [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        Just before federation, when people were claiming that hexbears were a bunch of unrestrained feral super-posters and that we were going to change the fediverse, I thought that a lot of it was just people hyping themselves up. Only now do I realize that we are in fact the strongest posters on the fediverse because of our solidarity with each other. fidel-salute indeed

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      and most importantly we are generally speaking unified.

      It’s been a while since I did a sectarianism. I have a good reason to later today though pika-pickaxe

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      The giant emotes (which generates a lot of animosity when combined with the dubiously low PPB-trigger-threshold of some of our posters when on other instances) are solvable issue. If the devs were so inclined, they could just run imagemagick over them automatically to make downsized copies.

      I’m not necessarily saying they should, I’m just saying they could.

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    I don’t hate you, this defederation thing is something I don’t like. It creates echo chambers. Reddit was an echo chamber, too. But it was one everyone creates for themselves, subscribe: privacy, linux and selfhost and your chamber of anti-GAFAM is ready to rock (for example).

    Seeing Hexbear and other stuff in “All” helps to escape your own bubble and creates more divergent discussion.

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      I agree with your last statement 100%

      I am generally against defederation and censorship.

      In response to the OP of this topic though, people hate hexbears because of the constant hardcore brigading and the huge inline image abuse.

      It’s annoying as fuck. As soon as you smell a “lib”, even though you are usually wrong, it just turns into a massive dogpile on anyone who doesn’t share your identical belief structure.

      That isn’t debate, it’s bullying. You have the numbers to pull it off but if it carries on you will absolutely end up defederated from everywhere.

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        As soon as you smell a “lib”, even though you are usually wrong

        We’re actually 100% correct, just fyi. A lot of people don’t know that about us

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          Yes, you are absolutely the smartest ones in the room. All rooms. At all times.

          I suspect the userbase of hexbear skews extremely young. I too had everything figured out when I was younger.

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            Yes, you are absolutely the smartest ones in the room. All rooms. At all times.

            As opposed to you, who definitely doesn’t roleplay being the “smartest one in the room” and speak in condescending generalizations about a large group of political others. Never ever.

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              If you are still seriously reading communist theory beyond the age of 20, I’ve got some truly terrible news for you. You should probably stay out of rooms altogether before anyone puts it together for you.

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                We all know you’re using that isle of man flag as a coward’s version of the afrikaner flag. You’re so god damn bad at this.

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        brigading

        Brigading is a made-up reddit thing. It used to be normal for forums to “raid” other forums, and if you couldn’t deal with that, it was on you. However we are not “raiding” there is no organised movement to go somewhere and post on it. We see the same posts pop up in “all”, and we have a large and active userbase, that’s all that’s happening.

        huge inline image abuse

        Yeah, that bug is getting worked on.

        As soon as you smell a “lib”, even though you are usually wrong, it just turns into a massive dogpile on anyone who doesn’t share your identical belief structure

        Yeah that’s the story, but it’s not really what I’ve been observing. Plenty of people that disagree with the hexbear userbase have had nice discussions. Generally I see users from other instances post condescending “gotchas” which then, rightly, get dogpiled on. They then cry “foul” as if they didn’t themselves initiate the interaction on those terms. Either that or they will be met by a user willing to engage in good-faith discussion, but they instead choose to continue with condescention. I see a lot of “I’m not reading all that” and “lmao you really believe that?” in response to well-thought out responses, not to mention the many accusations of being a bot. These users are then treated as condescending dickheads, because hexbear has had a lot of issues with wreckers, so there’s a pretty low tolerance for that kinda stuff. Hexbear generally has a hostile culture to bad-faith debatebro tactics.
        Disagreements are common, so it’s not really that. It’s just a question of wether they’re engaging in good faith or not. I see plenty of users post about stuff that’s well outside the general culture, that then have a nice discussion.

        Regarding being “wrong about lib” I’m gonna disagree again. I think you have a different definition of what that is. Oftentimes we think of ourselves as being “leftists” or whatever, but by our words and actions we support the current (neo-liberal) system. Then it does not matter what we identify as, if we’re still furthering something else. If you’re interested in that kinda stuff you might want to read Combat Liberalism. It’s pretty short, so it’s a nice and quick primer.

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          Brigading is a made-up reddit thing. It used to be normal for forums to “raid” other forums, and if you couldn’t deal with that, it was on you. However we are not “raiding” there is no organised movement to go somewhere and post on it. We see the same posts pop up in “all”, and we have a large and active userbase, that’s all that’s happening.

          You realise we can access hexbear.net and see the local posts? It’s absolutely coordinated behaviour. Hexbear users post links to a given thread from another instance in chat or chapo or wherever with a suitably inflammatory title along with a call to arms along the lines of “Look at this terrible liberal take, OMG the entire cookie baking community is full of bigots and transphobes. Cookie bakers are bourgeois as hell!”. Cue your entire community piling in to the cookie baking community to completely destroy all discussion of baking cookies until they get bored and move on.

          You spend a lot of time talking about good faith discussions but from my perspective it’s the hexbear community that isn’t acting in good faith in most instances.

          Regarding being “wrong about lib” I’m gonna disagree again. I think you have a different definition of what that is. Oftentimes we think of ourselves as being “leftists” or whatever, but by our words and actions we support the current (neo-liberal) system. Then it does not matter what we identify as, if we’re still furthering something else. If you’re interested in that kinda stuff you might want to read Combat Liberalism. It’s pretty short, so it’s a nice and quick primer.

          I accept this, and I am guilty of this to the extreme. I was extremely politically active in my late teens and early 20’s, and active in the labor movement. I have the criminal record as proof. I’m old as fuck now, and I have several people that depend on me NOT being in jail, and to continue pretending to be a functional member of our neo-liberal society to keep them from starving in the street.

          I hate that the entirety of my time and energy is now exhausted on enriching “investors”. I saw the system for what it is from a young age and fell into all of the traps anyway. The traps are effective, but that does not mean that my political ideology is in alignment with the system that sets them. Still, I acknowledge your point that things cannot change without action, and most times that means violent and illegal action. The system is built to protect itself.

          As for your link… Mao Tse-tung killed, brutalised and starved to death more human beings than any other person that has ever lived. MILLIONS dead. If the society you seek to build is based on that same, tired old philosophy then I will fight you every step of the way. It’s a very strange person that looks at the history of China over the last 100 years and decides they’d like to repeat it.

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            You realise we can access hexbear.net and see the local posts? It’s absolutely coordinated behaviour. Hexbear users post links to a given thread from another instance in chat or chapo or wherever with a suitably inflammatory title along with a call to arms

            Do you think we’re having users make accounts on defederated instances? We have a specific rule against “brigading” federated instances because it had like one thread about Ada where it actually happened. This is you jumping at shadows.

            Mao Tse-tung

            The modern romanization is Zedong, philistine.

            killed, brutalised and starved to death more human beings than any other person that has ever lived.

            Tell me about how much you aren’t a lib.

            If the society you seek to build is based on that same, tired old philosophy then I will fight you every step of the way.

            As opposed to what? Anarchism? That’s even older! But no, associating you with anarchists gives you too much credit. Tell us about how we should put more stock in whatever boutique ideology you pseudo-leftist piss sommeliers have cooked up lately instead of the ones that have actually gained ground or even exist outside of the internet.

            It’s a very strange person that looks at the history of China over the last 100 years and decides they’d like to repeat it.

            It’s a very strange person that talks about “the history of China over the last 100 years” while having themselves studied so little of it.