These bigoted, ignorant scum will never listen to anything. They are politically illiterate infants with an allergic reaction to reading.
They have ruined a safe space cultivated and cared for, they have turned this place into a new reddit.
I had a dude in my private messages going on about how I was both mutilating myself and other children. Many more people on hexbear have had similar experiences, with these worthless ignorant scum popping in to deliver the political equivalent of a giant shit.
As your friends, comrades, and people you say you defend get slurred at, dehumanized, and harassed please ask yourself:
Is it worth it?
I have the answer, I know you know it as well:
No its not
I used to think otherwise
I was a fool
its not worth a few laughs
even if you dunk all you want, that doesn’t take away the knife those people put in our backs.
These bigots, fascists, and NATO liberals are as worthless offline as they are here, why should we give them any attention. They are worth less than the dirt beneath our fingernails. Why should we poison ourselves with their influence? We don’t make any room for them offline, why should we not online?
And really
How many essays have your written?
How many sources have you combed through?
How many times have you explained the most basic facts of reality?
How many attempts at good faith?
Only for them to dismiss it in their stupidity. They don’t read it, they just crumble and divert back to the programming these little shits trust in more than God.
For every time there is a good faith user, there are a dozen scumbag fascists. And most of the time, the “good faith one” just reverts back to their old shit.
Do you really think losing any member of the hexbear or lemmygrad community, longtime members or not, is worth a few good dunks?
I don’t believe a small chance of gaining a new user is worth alienating an entire section of the community. The vast majority of those idiots are lost causes. If they are interested, the can just make an account and ask in good faith.
Is posting a meme to “own the liberals” worth your comrades getting more trauma from bigots harassing them?
No its not.
you’ve had your laugh, but it should end
Ban them all, SJW, lemm.ee, lemmy, the programmer nazi edglords. Keep Lemmygrad.
Defederate from those communities. We shouldn’t sacrifice our own for more clicks. For having to subject ourselves to the opinions of people thoroughly brainwashed? We aren’t reddit. We came here to get away from that. I’m sick of this. We are sick of this.
End it now
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— “This is just how it always starts, don’t it? Every inch you give them, they take miles. It’s the same obvious type of bullshit that the people who push these ideas through never think about. Around these parts, we take care of our own — at least, that’s the way it ought to be. Last thing we need is more shitstirrers coming in here to mess with the closest thing we’ve carved out to something decent. Hell, we barely had ourselves sorted out before whoever-on-top opened up their cages on us.” He spits. “Bunch of fucking assholes.”How are you so insanely good at this. Genuinely, its art.
And everything you said is absolutely on point.
my headcanon is that we attracted one of the DE writers and they’re now posting here.
Its the only explanation, the bits are god tier
I literally hear the voice actors in my head every time. it’s uncanny.
same!
Is it Mack McGuire’s or Matt Christman’s voice, though?
Matt Christman is probably the worst voice actor I’ve ever heard. Mack McGuire
depends on your current mood when reading it
Mr. Kurvitz is here?
maybe it’s Helen Hindpere
There’s translations of Sacred and Terrible Air available now, this doesn’t read like something Kurvitz wrote. He’s more florid and metaphorical than that.
The based “Try That in a Small Town” where it’s a group of union guys murdering mercenaries.
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Feels like the site has just become r/shitliberalssay.
I think federation is a net good. I don’t care about dunking on bad takes, but federation has increased good engagement on non-dunk posts overall.
If we’re taking account of opinions I’ll throw my hat in with defederation. The entire value of Chapochat and hexbear was its existence as a chill place. I understand many people wanted to go back to and enjoy the old sub days but what hexbear was is completely different. I’ve been around for a long time and don’t post much, gotta say I’m not a big fan of the changes.
Between threatening dms (which were generally a rare existence pre-federation) and overall trolling and toxicity, I really think we took a step back.
I don’t see myself browsing much with federation being a thing.
This is my experience with federation, too. I used to come here and know that I wouldn’t be doomscrolling or feeling terrible about being reminded how shitty people were outside of some strategic dunks which i also found funny. Now it seems that all I see is people being stubbornly awful, and proud to be that way, while I just don’t feel like posting or commenting anymore. It makes me feel again the anxiety i used to come here to escape from.
Yeah. My animal reaction is to say keep federation because I take an unhealthy amount of joy from arguing, but I had this realisation today that in no longer in the happy place I used to be in.
I just feel like I’m back in Reddit. Keep lemmygrad, maybe a couple of others, I don’t know. But the spirit and heart of hexbear has been poisoned.
Letting people line up outside your house to take a hot steaming shit on the floor on the off-chance you’ll be able to convince one of them not to take a shit
I agree. It’s made things worse
I liked pre-federated Hexbear more. It was more fun talking with people who I knew were good faith without having to deal with a ton of dumb hogs. Making fun of libs is fun and all but it’s getting old. And to add if there are assholes harassing our users we should defederate.
As a completely new user I will add that this feels less safe like this.
The reason I signed up here was the way I felt run down and disheartneded by the tankie takes over on Mastodon. Which is where I fled from big social (twitter, reddit) after realizing how pointless that was.
I am here to learn and share about communism and to be around folks who see the word the way I do. I am spesifically looking for a safe bubble outside the typically unsafe reactionary spaces we all have to kind of see and engage with.
I am on Mastodon trying to make people think about their programming, it’s exhausting and often you get attacked. And the liberal takes are always the same ones, everywhere. I think protecting ourselves from that in this one place would be good for mental health reasons and to protect marginalized identities as well.
Seeing the discussions here actually feels nice, makes one feel less alone and provides much needed support.
The reason I signed up here was the way I felt run down and disheartneded by the tankie takes over on Mastodon.
What does “Tankie” mean in this context? Because the past few weeks has been lots of CHUDs and liberals that complain that Hexbear is just “tankies”, which in their context meant “anything I didn’t agree with”
As far as I can tell it means just that. Anything outside current capitalism = tankie. And anti-imperialism/criticism of nato = tankie.
Okay but “Tankie” is being used by reactionaries and liberals as a pejorative. You said that you’re tired of Mastodon because of bad Tankie takes, and now you’re on Hexbear, which other instances accuse of being Tankie.
So, it’s just not making sense to me
What I mean is “their bad tankie takes”.
This still doesn’t make sense to me…is perhaps what nohaybanda said, what you actually mean?
The folks in places like Mastodon react to a lot of even fairly non-radical leftists posts or the posts of other anti-imperialist people with “oh look, a tankie”.
And they in my opinion are using “tankie” as a sort of reactionary thought terminator and as a school yard bully level pejorative word to end all discussion and that is what to me is a bad take = they are posting “bad tankie takes”. Which I am tired of seeing.
English is not my first language and am audh so maybe my post wasn’t clear, it still might not be.
I think they mean it’s bad takes that call anything libs disagree with tankie. At least that’s what makes sense to me in context
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Agreed with you and SorosFootSoldier. Federation was largely a mistake.
Feel the same way. I was against federation from the jump because I knew something like this was going to happen when we open the door for liberals to come in. You’re a long time poster too and you can see how fucked it is.
On the dilemma of interacting with Reactionary views as Zoo Animals:
On reddit, during the r/chapotraphouse era, the culture there had developed into not just a general shitposting forum but an alternative and assertive socialist/leftist voice against liberal answers for socioeconomic and political issues, as well as a venue to harass and identify reactionary users and communities. As Hexbear’s @Civility hypothesized three years ago, the CIA shut down r/chapotraphouse for these reasons.
After r/chapotraphouse was quarantined and banned, the users dissovled and migrated to the Discord and finally to Chapo.Chat - which became Hexbear - and formed an independent community and identity from r/cth. It became a safe space to vent and share memes, to shitpost, and find emotional (and even, at times, financial) support.
I think we should preserve this quality of Hexbear. I don’t think arguing with liberals insistent on their values of qualifying the validity of our opinions and identities with conditional allegiance to institutions of capitalist hegemony and white supremacy is a valuable endeavor. Nor should we really tolerate their views, or dishonest tactics of discussion. I’d prefer to disengage with them altogether, but I suppose like many of you, I can’t help but respond sometimes too.
It was fun on Reddit to “interact with the Zoo Animal” routine because Reddit is a mass media platform that is capable of propagandizing and sewing seeds of doubt into dominant political and socioeconomic narratives, and to stoke curiosity into alternative narratives, ideologies, lifestyles, and beliefs, with the hopes that those alternatives were not the fascist ones. (But it was reddit.)
This place, even the lemmy federated instances, is a closed vacuum and developed to be a safe space from bigotry, sexism, transphobia, fascism, and liberal apologia.
Then federation happened, and the people who want to treat the interaction with reactionaries as a shitposting game to interact with like zoo animals and elevate misanthropic voices back into our minds - for we read their text in our internal voice - is exasperating and humiliating. I don’t want to be saturated with it outside of reddit.
Exposing ourselves and others to bigotry and liberalism is not fun. “Just log off or block them” works in the short term, but in the long term toleration of these things will deform what the community had become beforehand. Bigotry and JAQing off Liberalism isn’t amusing. It’s offensive.
(It’s always the same defense of liberalism: whatabout Russia and China? History saw what the dissolution of the USSR wrought: millions of Russians dead from social murder. This is liberalism’s goal: https://hexbear.net/comment/3734619. For Russia once more, and finally for China. After that, well always a new enemy to destroy! Never a need to reform the US!)
As a r/CTH grognard, I personally would want to be able to get the old sub culture back, but I suppose that time erodes all things & that you can’t really turn its hands backwards
The sub culture was good in the context of reddit, especially since reddit liberals didn’t have the time or ability to ignore people (aside from the block function). The counternarrative to reddit’s liberal bias at large was also unavoidable and useful. The lemmy fedeverse is more just a loose association of online silos where reactionaries just go back to their base to strawman Hexbear, especially when they get the slightest pushback upon their journey into Hexbear.
Also, r/cth posters didn’t really engage in good faith discussions as much as Hexbears do, with the former usually asking a belligerent reactionary/liberal for a picture of their “hog” more often than not.
I’m 100% back on completely defeding from everyone. Go back to being the cool as shit site it was before. Everytine I visit it’s just non stop conversation of what federations done what fucked up shit and if we should allow it or defed only to obviously defed cause these fucks are always too chuddy. I just don’t see what value is being gained. We can still make anroesence on other instances and people who aren’t fucks can still make accounts here and enjoy the site.
Ngl I don’t want to defed.
I really enjoy seeing what your instance has to say to some dumb shit I read. I think that opens eyes more than anything. When I saw calm and collected fact gathering (and fuckitt chaos from Lemmy.world) I was brought over onto the dark side.
⬆️This
In the beginning, the Hexbear admin asked people to be chill in other instances. When I check out All, lots of posts are full of our people posting memes and insults. I get it, the libs deserve our insults, but we can reach more by just not starting shit outside of hexbear.
I do my best to engage in good faith with people outside of our instance. I wish jumping to memes or antagonism wasn’t so many people’s first instinct. And that goes for people regardless of instance, when talking to/about “tankies”.
it flares up whenever we federate with somewhere new, we have 2-3 days of 1000 comment posts of liberal culture shock, and then they either defed or pipe down with the unfettered brainworms
This is my take too.
Is there a way to make it so they have to see our posts but we don’t have to see their posts?
Wouldn’t stop the threats from dms though.
I’m generally pro-federation but I absolutely agree with defederating with SJW. My reason for voting to federate was that I felt that picking up a few comrades is worth dealing with all the libs. But now I can confidently say there are no comrades on SJW. I haven’t seen a single cool person on there. Plus even the admins have gone off about “anti-white racism” while defending the racist Xi image. They’re all shit.
The other instances have the occasional cool person which imo makes it worthwhile imo and we’ve been gradually moving towards some sort of understanding, like about what summons the horde. Bringing in a new set of libs sent us right back to square 1 and washed away any progress. Defederating with them would go a long way to improving things while losing absolutely nothing of value. But lemmy.ml and lemm.ee are not nearly as bad imo.
I didn’t even see any libs from SJW, just explicitly trolling chuds.
SJW
SJW is bad for other reasons too apparently - it was the source of many instances of people being sent scat porn in their dms that only mods could remove.
It’s a ‘free’ instance, but simultaneously a shithole.
I still barely understand what this federation business was about and at this point im too afraid to ask
