The developer worked his ass off to repurpose his app to Lemmy for us.
I was more than happy to pay for his time. Hard work deserves reward. If people aren’t going to pay him and use the free version, which you’re welcome to, then he makes his money from ads (which pay fuck-all)
You’re just a bunch of cheapskates who want to be entertained for nothing.
All the self righteousness of lemmy is strange.
There’s not just better opinions, even small decisions are morally imbued and if someone steps out of line…
Wait, does using sync cause hurricanes? Earthquakes? Will the four big ponies of the lempocalypse arrive and snort angrily?
Otherwise, I get that a surge of people elated they have something you don’t/can’t have is off putting. FOMO is real.
But it doesn’t need all the meme-shade.
Voyager is free and the pwa feels close to a native app.
Voyager just started their TestFlight app version a few days ago and it’s really great (on iOS.) It added haptic feedback which is very nice, and fixes the freezing issue. Otherwise it’s identical, I think. I’d guess there will be an android app sometime.
I’m also testing Memmy and using Mlem - both are coming along great, but Voyager app version is the cleanest and my favorite atm.
Looking forward to trying Sync when it comes to iOS. Never tried it for Reddit - only used Apollo.
Looking forward to trying Sync when it comes to iOS
I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not…
I was just trying to be nice to the dev and fans tbh. I went straight to Apollo when the official app started burning up my phone years ago and never looked back, or at other apps. I had no idea Sync was never on iOS. 🤷🏻♂️ But if it ever is, I’d try it.
I understand. Sorry if I was being harsh.
I didn’t think it was harsh at all. You’re good!
There was an iOS version of Sync, but it was on TestFlight for years with no actual release. It was also developed by a different person.
Yeah, it’s not the same. That seems just like plain stealing at that point. LJ wouldn’t do something like that after spending a decade or more working on sync.Correction: Sync for iOS was created by the dev’s friend.
Voyager is indeed great, especially now that it has a native version.
However, I’d be really surprised if an iOS version of Sync for Lemmy came out. The Reddit version was developed for iOS by a different person and was in a preliminary stage for years. A production-ready release never actually came out.
I wish they also provided a way to disable haptic feedback. It’s annoying when I’m up late upvoting dank memes while my wife is sleeping
I think it’s very noble of you to upvote dank memes. You can show this comment to your wife: Fluxion is awesome and deserves to upvote dank memes whenever they please. This is the way.
Thank you kindly, just doing my part 👍
I used Voyager since it was wefwef. Sync has far more customization. Like multitudes more.
So you can confirm the swipe back freezing issue is resolved on the iOS app? I’ve seen people say it’s still there.
If it is resolved, I am very excited to use it!
It’s technically still there, but it resolves immediately when you lift your finger now.
In my experience: In the PWA it consistently required lifting your finger and waiting for 1-2 seconds before attempting to scroll again. If you didn’t “not touch it” for 1-2 seconds, it would stay frozen indefinitely when trying to scroll up or down. This sometimes felt like an eternity for an otherwise very responsive experience.
In the TestFlight app, that 1-2 seconds is down to maybe .2 seconds or less. It’s nearly imperceptible - enough so that it feels like it’s fixed. But if you do use it in such a way that you encounter a freeze, you just lift your finger and immediately try again. There’s no additional waiting - just lift and continue.
So it feels fixed to me and I rarely freeze in the first place, but maybe the underlying problem still exists.
IOW: It’s as if an invisible overlay blocks your interactions after swiping back to the feed. That invisible overlay is now removed almost instantly instead of after 1-2 seconds. But if you try to scroll too quickly after swiping back, you might catch it while your finger is down. In that case, you can now lift and immediately continue. It’s consistent enough and minor enough that it could be played off as a feature that prevents you from accidentally scrolling after swiping back.
I haven’t personally experienced any bugs that would hold it back from an App Store release, so hopefully you’ll get it to try it for yourself soon.
How can I get it on Testflight? I am using Mlem currently and tried Memmy a bit. For now I look at Mlem as my Lemmy-app, because the comments are well formatted compared to Memmy, but Memmy is Open Source and has definetly the the better Icon. Yes, such things are important for me, too.
Voyager TestFlight link: https://testflight.apple.com/join/nWLw1MBM
I joined early on, so it may be full like they often are. If it is, bookmark and keep checking - especially during off hours.
Thx, I got it. (:
I quite like Voyager. Works really well
Voyager has an app that respects navigation panes, UI refreshes and haptic system gestures now, so all those “but it doesn’t FEEL native” complaints have been put to the ground to begin with.
And if you’re on Android, the free apps that fully function are…
Liftoff (amazing)
Thunder (amazing)
Connect (great, but not sure if it’s open source?)
Summit
Nemmy
Beyond (tried it and didn’t like that it defaults to Lemmy.ml)
Lemmitof (haven’t tried yet)
I am using Memmy on iOS. It rocks! Does everything I need without any adds. Very happy with it.
Yeah i’m using pwa, and currently testing Thunder, liking it so far. Still not a good replacement if i want to do mod/admin work.
Will totally buy Sync ultra despite the bitching, but until it has mod tools and community browsing, amongst a list of missing feature found in the web app, i can’t justify the spending.
Fuck PWA. I want a native, fast app with no JavaScript.
It’s fast and it’s about as native as most apps get nowadays. Kotlin on Android or Swift on iOS still run in virtual machines with GC not unlike Javascript. Nobody writes apps in C++ either. Maybe one day we will do it in Rust when there’s ever a good mobile GUI framework.
Also by fast I do mean fast. Much better than any other PWA or website I’ve ever used and on par with good native apps. There do be some bugs, I’ve run into two and they’re a bit annoying, but I’m sure they’ll be fixed soon enough. The dev is super active and it’s open source so anyone can contribute.
Much of the time you can’t really tell it’s not Apollo and that was the best reddit app hands down.
I do have a recent iPhone though. Maybe an older or lower end phone won’t be as fast. But even so, I would still recommend trying it.
Your argument for "as native as most apps” falls apart pretty quickly though.
I’m not saying it’s a bad app. I’m just saying it’s a badly made app, because JavaScript was a joke 30 years ago, it’s a joke today. (ThePrimeagen)
Most apps aren’t native, so being “as native” as the baseline average or better isn’t even saying much at all. They’re all using V8, and I’m slightly less disgruntled if they use something like React Native or whatever instead of Vue and virtual DOM stuff. This was brief but you get the idea.
Also, Xamarin and Flutter/Skia do exist.
React native, Xamarin, Flutter aren’t REALLY native either. Neither are, like I said, the main languages either mobile platform’s owner wants you to use.
Mobile apps are rarely native for real these days.
Voyager uses React so it uses the Virtual DOM much like Vue (which often tends to be faster) or React Native. I can’t see how using React Native instead of React like you suggested is all that much better. It’s all the same shit.
You want native, there’s Dioxus for Rust or I guess QT for C++. Those will compile into actual binaries rather than some sort of bytecode running in an interpreter. But these take much more time to write complex apps in and in a world where we want all our apps to be free, they’re hard to justify.
It’s interesting you quote ThePrimeagen about Javascript, because it’s literally the main language he uses/used at Netflix and he often says it’s not a bad language. He’s got a workshop on Javascript coming in November.
I hate the language as much as any and have avoided using it professionally, but your arguments are pretty weak. Modern Javascript engines are ridiculously fast, which is why a WELL MADE web app can be much faster than a shoddily made “native” app.
Edit: It’s now available on the app store, making it native by your definition. Which is to say it has direct access to some system APIs, but it still renders a vDOM like any other react native app.
There’s acyually an APK version for android as well of Voyager.
Are you sure it’s legit? From a quick look at the official GitHub repo’s README, I saw no mention of a native Android app (however I did see mention of the iOS app).
EDIT: dug a little deeper and saw mention of the Android app in the latest release notes (beta coming soon to the play store) as well as an empty Android studio project folder in the source. Maybe the actual code is somewhere on a different branch, but even so, I would be hesitant to install random APKs not coming from the developer themself.
Here it is on the google play store: https://lemmy.world/post/2613340
Damn, the Voyager dev works fast! Thanks for the link.
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The instance I’m on has a beta of an interface called “photon” that looks very similar to Sync’s cards view.
Just paying a visit to lemmy because Sync is out, and all I’ve seen is this. Lemmy is just another reddit, isn’t it? People here are no better like what they believe themselves to be, still the same everywhere.
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That’s so lame. I use morse code over a manual, human-translated, secure wire.
God you guys are such losers. I use semaphore shown to a string of orphans dotted along the hillocks of every country.
Really? That’s basic. I go uphill both ways to reach the Lemming that holds all info.
I am visualizing this as a cartoon and laughing my ass off. Thanks.
Based rainman lemming.
BNC not RJ45, obviously. We’re not children.
You are correct, people here are just as braindead as reddit. They have that superiority complex going on too, it’s pretty funny.
Its not about the app for me (although the clean interface is appreciated) just the users it’ll bring with it. I like the ratio of tech literate people on Lemmy but more users means more abundant niche communities, and that was the best part of reddit for me
Yep, it’s literally just another Reddit. The main benefit is that it’s decentralized so it’s not under the control of a single corporation, but yeah, it’s mainly ex redditors on a service designed to be an alternative to Reddit
I hope that the lame jokes that were recycled for well over a year stay there, though. Certain repeated jokes were becoming just as annoying as ads.
Those “jokes” actually caused me to start blocking people, and I’ll do it again if I have to lol. It was like reading the same comment over and over again, which got pretty boring.
Well so far everything on lemmy has run on the goodwill of instance owners, lemmy maintainers, and app developers working for free. Sync as far I can tell is the only thing so far to bring an openly capitalist approach to lemmy, and it depends on the free hosting that instance owners are providing. I don’t have any problems with people wanting paid for their work. However, I can see how it’s a little jarring to see an app charge such a subscription fee while some big instances are struggling with hosting costs and likely pulling in much less in donations.
So much this.
I’d rather give the 20$ to my fav instances, than to an optional app.Sync as far I can tell is the only thing so far to bring an openly capitalist approach to lemmy
Sync’s pricing is inherently socialist. LJ owns his own labor and is able to decide what is done with it. If you don’t want to pay then cool, there are plenty of other options.
It’s also inherently capitalist. Maybe profiteering would’ve been a better word? As I stated above, I have no problem with people getting paid for their work. He can charge whatever the hell he wants.
Idk, LJ doesn’t have a boss that takes a portion of the profits he generates. Extraction of surplus labor is the cornerstone of capitalism. But this isn’t really the place to get into a deep discussion about regardless. I don’t think it’s profiteering either to charge an amount that provides you with a living wage. Sync for reddit had orders of magnitude more users than the Lemmy version so of course he’ll need to charge more on Lemmy to keep doing it full time.
I don’t know what to think about post-scarcity commodities.
This probably speaks a bit to the fact that reddit in itself was nothing special, and the people were making it what that is and what it ain’t was before it could be.
People moved here, so we’re seeing that here now. Reddit was a loss in the same way your favourite pub closing down was - ye had to find a new place.
Now, erm, clears throat… This is the way.
Yeah the majority of people, like myself, came here after leaving reddit so it’s not surprising. Some instances are already speed-running the censorship and mod abuse too. The lemmy.world admins decided to pre-emptively defederate from another instance purely based on the admins own ideological stance. Can’t possibly stand the thought of having people that have different political views than you being able to share those views, oh no. Gotta shut that down before it even starts. And remember - these are the people that call the other people fascists.
thing is, defederating doesn’t silence anyone. the info is still there, anyone can access it or contribute to it, and plenty of other instances are still federated with them. it’s not censorship, it’s just choosing who you carry water for.
Lemmy looks more and more like reddit everyday. It was nice while it lasted, but confidently incorrect jerks like you who don’t even get the point of decentralised platforms are going to ruin it.
What did I say that was confidently incorrect exactly?
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Each instance has their own admins so this isn’t true.
Lemmy is in fact just another link aggregator, albeit a better one, and the app build for it is trying too hard to be reddit, with no feature that’s closer to lemmy than reddit. So yes lemmy is reddit.
I’m just happy we have all of these choices.
The FOSS apps are fantastic already and Sync is there if you want that too.
Based neutral take
Yeah let’s just support Lemmy developers maybe?
Supporting your app dev, lemmy devs, and your instance owner are all good.
Obviously, don’t stretch yourself too thin out of obligation either.
Not a big fan of the price, but it’s free to use if you want and the app is amazingly smooth.
Also, if you decide to use this app for many years, the one time payment isn’t that bad at all.
Jesus Christ guys, there’s like one inline ad every 30 posts. Quit bitching
black square with ad blockers. still i don’t like these black squares
I don’t get black squares, all I see are posts. I use DNS66.
i literally blocked like all google domains.
they turned to black swuares after I opene the app once without a dns blocklist iirc.I guess I’m just lucky then? I use Steve Black’s host file in DNS66.
Found out I don’t see ads because I’m using small cards.
They have every right to use the FOSS clients if they don’t want ads and don’t want to pay anything. Thing is there’s no reason to complain about a paid client existing. It doesn’t take away choice, it adds choice. FOSS devs will want to implement features they see in paid clients and raise the bar for paid client to add more features and then repeat. That’s a great thing for users. All this choice will lead to better and better clients, both FOSS and paid. What’s important is that lemmy is an open platform meaning we will always have choice. More choices are a good thing.
Repeat after me. Ads are EVIL! Just sell the app, don’t offer an add supported tier, especially for a front-end to an open-source platform.
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I don’t understand the people hating on Sync just as much as I don’t understand the people hating posts criticizing sync.
It’s an app. Let people use what they want to use lmao. Growth for Lemmy is a good thing regardless
As a former Reddit user of sync pro. I’m one of those people who just enjoys the UI so much that I’m willing to support the dev. It’s easy to say “pay for it” to make it look worse, but I appreciate the work he’s put into it.
I agree, there is nothing wrong with getting paid for your work. It is a high quality app which should be appreciated by the lemmy community since it helps them grow.
I legitimately could not get into Lemmy with any of the other apps. They just all felt wrong.
But I used Lemmy more on the first day the app came out than I did since I made my account two months ago. Best part is it feels just like Sync for Reddit did, including all the great features.
The only reason I haven’t paid yet for no ads is that I’m waiting to see how much I like it. I might even pay for Ultra if they provide a discount for buying it with the Reddit app.
I’m all here for the lemmy app war of 2023. Sync for life!!
Sync is awesome…till Boost arrives.
I used boost for the better part of the eleven years I was on reddit. Can’t wait to get it back.
I love boost as well, paid for both boost and sync on reddit. Both is awesome
Upvote for the acknowledgement that multiple apps can be installed and used rather than arguing about which one is best.
Everyone as they want but why would I want two or three apps for 1 site?
I have like 3, but I find myself going back to Sync. I wish Relay would have gone this route as that was by far my favorite.
You game to pay for both?
I love Sync and it’s a huge reason why I left Reddit. That said, the price to remove ads and the subscription have made me take pause instead of jumping right back in…
If it was like $15 one-time to remove ads to get the same features there were in Sync Pro I’d be all in and evangelizing the app all over. But it’s more expensive than that, and now some of the features are locked behind Sync Ultra (like tagging users) which is a subscription or quite high one-time purchase…
I’m here for it as well but sticking with FOSS. However, I’ll say use whatever app you want. The wonderful thing about the Fediverse is that they actually give you the option to do that!
God forbid you have to pay for stuff.
I never see Liftoff recommended in these kinds of threads. It’s my favourite app so far out of Thunder, Connect, and Jerboa.
Sync is free.
There is a paid version sure. But the free version is still excellent.
I’ll repeat what I said in several other threads at this point:
I loved the old app, I still love the new app, it’s a pleasure to use compared to the alternatives I’ve tried, and I find the ultra subscription rate both reasonable and worthwhile to support a product I truly enjoy.
Sync is good for me. There’s plenty of other options if it’s not good for you.
I’m using it right now. Working just fine so far, exactly the same as the reddit version, and I haven’t been asked to pay $20 for it.
It’s $20 to remove ads permanently. You can still use it for free with ads. For me I see a small box ad every 20 or so posts. I don’t personally find it intrusive. I plan to pay for one of the high polish apps after a few more come out and I find the one I like best. $20 once is completely worth it for the value I get out of it.
I think it may be a bug, but I have not seen a single ad so far. There’s not even a spot for ads to appear. I had Sync Pro on Reddit so it has been the exact same experience I had on that
maybe it detect reddit sync pro?
It would be awesome if it did haha, I paid $2 for Sync way back in 2014 and used it nonstop, but I think that I’ve seen that Sync for Lemmy was going to be, for all intents and purposes, entirely separated from Sync for Refdit
Even if you don’t find it intrusive, it is. Ads are incredibly powerful, that’s why they pay good money to get them in front of you through any means possible.
Okay, but I’m not paying either and all I see every ~20 posts is a black box that literally just says “Sponsored Content”?
Is mine bugged or do the ads on the app kick in later, lol? Because right now it’s awesome.
I’ve getting the same black box with “Sponsored Content”.
I havent paid and haven’t even seen anything but content so far. Not even the black boxes
A month from now you are going to look around and think to yourself, “damn, why did I buy so much of this sponsored content? I don’t need this much sponsored content”
Connect seems good enough to me
