Senator’s bid to make US military support conditional on whether Israel is violating human rights in Gaza fails by 72 votes to 11

  • Verdant Banana@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Sanders is proof the US is working on a rigged system

    he has had the people’s interest at heart since he first started his political career in the 60s and not just the US citizens

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      He will inspire a group of young people that will actually make the change when boomers die. So there’s that.

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          The Democrats will rather lose than allow the system to change.

          Prescient. I don’t think many centrist have realized that yet.

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          You, in another comment chain, are advocating for voting third party and advocating against grassroots change like Unionization and winning local elections. If you realize the top will never ever allow change in the regime, then why are you advocating against bottom-up pressure, and advocating for knowingly spoiling your vote?

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            Not the one concerned, but the two party system used to include the wigs. One party can get dismantled and I think it would only happen with bottom up pressure, and grass roots.

            • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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              Yep, that’s my point entirely. With the current two party system, voting third party is purely a spoiler vote without mass grassroots pressure like Unionization and winning local elections. They’ve argued against building up that bottom-up pressure as pointless, and instead advocated for voting third party, getting the order entirely wrong.

              With the current dem/rep split, voting Democrat is what leftists should do purely as loss prevention. It’s only with genuine outside, bottom-up pressure that third party could ever be viable.

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                Voting Democrat hurts any leftist credibilty and promotes complacency.

                It will only shift the system further right. Then Right wingers will complain about whichever incompetent Democrat is in charge at the time is actually responsible and we need an incompetent Republican instead.

                The longer you vote for people like Biden, the more people will believe in Trump or an even worse Fascist that will rise up.

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                  this is certainly a take. you honestly think putting republicans in office will show “the people” how bad they are?

                  I literally don’t think any candidate can be worse than trump. antivaxxers (who are majority repub) died in droves during the pandemic and he won lowa by a landslide.

                  trump is literally as incompetent as they come. but republicans are incredibly loyal and I don’t believe anything short of the president commiting mass murder will change their minds.

                  now is not really the time for big brain takes, just vote Biden and get smashed afterwards if you want.

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            There is nothing wrong with Unionizing. Just voting for the Nazis at the helm.

            The point is what Bernie had proven. The Democrats will never change if you try to work with them or join them. This is similar to the excuse of Democrats “trying to find a middle ground” for Republicans voters that will never vote for them anyways and adopting right wing policies.

            The party is rotten from the top. This is why progressive people made third parties to begin with. Because changing a rotten organization from the inside isn’t possible. You need a new organization to replace it.

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              You directly said that grassroots activism, ie Unionization, is akin to grassroots genocide, so I’m glad you’re walking that statement back.

              The Democrats will not change if you work with them or join them, yes, neither will the Republicans, and third parties will absolutely never gain any traction without significant grassroots change like Unionization.

              By voting third party without building up mass grassroots change, you’re spoiling your vote and enabling fascism. You can’t just vote a third party into office without genuine pressure from the bottom.

              Again, read Reform or Revolution. You can’t change the Dems, and you can’t change the two party system itself, via voting. You understand that the dems can’t change, so then why do you think the entire US can change just with electoralism?

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                I made it 15 minutes through the paper you recommended and then gave up because there doesn’t seem to be a conclusion anywhere just a massive irrelevant story.

                I don’t even know who she’s referencing in her story and I’m sure as hell not going to read some bank simp paper to find out.

                I can recommend you this podcast that perfectly predicted every single thing that is happening today in America and israel. From an actual progressive that can use coherent words. The weird thing is that this was recorded two years ago. And it feels like this podcast was recorded yesterday

                https://youtu.be/69pEzsfX8Aw?t=26m44s

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                  Reform or Revolution is one of the most foundational writings in leftist history, so if this is just “some paper” to you and not the seminal work taking down the nonsense that is electoralism then you’re either a fed, or found the wrong paper. If you didn’t read Rosa Luxembourg’s masterwork and just happened to find some random progressive, then you get a pass, otherwise you’ve successfully outed yourself as a fed.

                  Recommending Hedges over Rosa Luxembourg, pretending he’s “an actual progressive that can use coherent words” while Rosa herself isn’t, is nothing short of pathetic. Hedges fancies himself a Marxist, yet you seem to ignore every single Marxist writer in history.

                  If Hedges is telling you that virtue signaling is all that matters, and that grassroots, bottom-up movements that stand to shift the very foundation that the two party system rests on is a waste of time, then neither you nor Hedges are leftists at all and are merely grifters and feds.

                  Reevaluate your positions and values. If you truly care about the Proletariat, then accept that electoralism is purely loss prevention and make an actual difference in people’s lives. Support a local Socialist candidate, join or start a union, and actually read theory, rather than getting your brain rotted out by podcast bros.

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    Anyone got a list of who supported it?

    Edit: so far I found that it was Sanders (duh), Rand Paul, and 9 democrats. Not sure who

    Edit 2: per https://www.businessinsider.com/which-senators-voted-bernie-sanders-resolution-israel-human-rights-violations-2024-1?amp

    Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky

    Democratic Sen. Martin Heinrich of New Mexico

    Democratic Sen. Jeff Merkley of Oregon

    Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont

    Democratic Sen. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland

    Democratic Sen. Ed Markey of Massachusetts

    Democratic Sen. Laphonza Butler of California

    Democratic Sen. Ben Ray Lujan of New Mexico

    Democratic Sen. Mazie Hirono of Hawaii

    Democratic Sen. Peter Welch of Vermont

    Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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      Anyone got a list of who abstained? I want to do the math so I know how large the Senate Genocide Caucus is.

      EDIT: I was trying to do math and kept overlooking how the article said that it was 72-11, which would mean 17 abstaining or absent. The Senate Genocide Caucus is 72 members wide.

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        What’s there to be confused about?

        Ron is a soft-spoken man who stood firm in his convictions, and was quietly friendly with white nationals and other horrible people. He’s retired now.

        Rand is a bit of a blow hard with no convictions, and is loudly friendly with white nationals and other horrible people. He’s a sitting senator.

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          Because compared to other nameable Republicans, he occasionally votes in ways that are agreeable with many leftists. But like you said, he’s also still a massive piece of shit.

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      Important to note that this is a motion to table - so the “Yea” vote means they disagree with Bernie’s resolution.

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      39 Democrat senators (40 if you count Sinema) and 32 Republican senators.

      I’d also like to remind people that 44 Democrats and 36 Republican senators voted to block the rail strike.

      Procorporate trash. All of them. Fuck Joe Biden.

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    The measure was a first-of-its-kind tapping into a decades-old law that would require the US state department to, within 30 days, produce a report on whether the Israeli war effort in Gaza is violating human rights and international accords. If the administration failed to do so, US military aid to Israel, long assured without question, could be quickly halted.

    Those senators must be pretty confident that a report would find human rights violations. Why would they oppose it otherwise?

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    if only democrats actually stood for what they say they stand for

    we could of had eight years of bernie instead of eight years of further decline with trump and biden

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    if you think israel didn’t do anything wrong, why oppose an investigation?

    (also milosevic did the same thing in the 90s and was prosecuted for it by the icc - the us supported that then)

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    During the Sheikh Jarrah incident I contacted everyone who politically represents me and told them to re-evaluate how freely they fund Isreal, they all gave me lots of lip service telling me they will consider it when opportunities arise and every last one of them voted against this. I don’t think I’ve ever in my life been accurately represented politically on a federal level, and the only reason that’s not true locally is because I’ve testified to local government committees on things that actually made it to the state house floor.

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      I wish I could give you a hug. It’s so useful to have your voice on this (and I assume other progressive matters?). There are many of us who feel the same way, and some of us are trying to regain our strength to try to improve the world again. Thanks.

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        Thank you. It’s tough to fight being disheartened when you constantly feel looked over, or like some politicians margin of error. They act like they’d rather lose my vote then consider my prerogatives.

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    I’m supposed to believe the Dems that voted against this also care about saving democracy? They don’t even care about basic human rights. We’re going full speed into the worst timeline.