Most of the comments here are examples of what’s wrong with American politics. How can you, despite your political views, watch this video and be so spiteful?
I dislike, disapprove and disagree with the man on every level. But I do not enjoy watching this.
I mean the man is directly responsible for blocking several Supreme Court justices from being appointed while Obama was president, which led to roe v wade being overturned so uh, Moscow Mitch couldn’t drop dead any faster in my opinion.
I am not going to reply to everybody. But most of the comments - yours too - underline my point.
For me, politics is about creating something better together. Alienating others in the way that’s being expressed here achieves absolutely nothing. It creates no improvement, only more hatred and division.
One big problem with American politics is the polarization between the individuals who should be collaborating. You too are part of the problem with this approach and almost every comment in this thread is just fuel for the fire for someone else.
This is some enlightened Centrist bullshit and you know it.
When someone has been instrumental in the dismantling of democracy in this country, you don’t get to play the “be nice!” card. There is no meeting in the middle with guys like him.
When one side is pushing the extremes, is it really fair to meet in the new middle?
Mr. McConnell’s legacy is the exact opposite of “creating something better together.” That you cannot acknowledge this shows how little you understand politics in the USA.
For me, politics is about creating something better together. Alienating others in the way that’s being expressed here achieves absolutely nothing. It creates no improvement, only more hatred and division.
If politics is about creating something better together, then alienating others in the way that Mitch McConnell did over the course of his entire career achieves absolutely nothing. It creates no improvement, only more hatred and division.
If it hadn’t become clear LONG AGO that if you play politics by the rules you’ll lose every single time, then your appeal to the better angels of our nature would hold. As it stands, we all suffer because RBG appealed to respect and decorum. We all suffer because Obama appealed to respect and decorum. We all suffer because James Comey appealed to respect and decorum. Hell, we all suffer because LBJ appealed to respect and decorum. We suffer because people on the left have spent decades fighting political battles with white gloves on. We reach a hand across the aisle and have a knife inserted into our spinal column.
Mitch McConnell succeeded beyond his wildest dreams because when he sensed blood in the water, he acted with ice in his veins. He abandoned all pretense to get whatever he wanted at every turn, naysayers and opponents be damned. He paved the road of his career with the guts of his enemies and never hesitated to lie, cheat, or steal to gain and maintain power, and we will all spend the rest of our mortal lives living with the ramifications of his actions.
Look around, Helen. American politics can’t get much worse, so if it’s a bloodsport they want, it’s a bloodsport they’ll get.
edit: How very, very convenient that you don’t even live in the US and so you’ll never be directly affected by Mitch McConnell’s actions and have the luxury of finger-wagging at those of us mired in his shit, all the way from the other side of the fucking ocean. How very convenient indeed.
Look around, Helen. American politics can’t get much worse, so if it’s a bloodsport they want, it’s a bloodsport they’ll get.
If you think the answer is to be as morally bankrupt as you think your opponent is, you are ignoring your own supposed values.
edit: How very, very convenient that you don’t even live in the US and so you’ll never be directly affected by Mitch McConnell’s actions and have the luxury of finger-wagging at those of us mired in his shit, all the way from the other side of the fucking ocean. How very convenient indeed.
Your are right. But American politics have a way of being everyone’s business and influence a lot of people - people from the EU included. I see this influence on our political system, and it is not pretty. The idea about not playing by any rules is just sad; if you have no compass you are truly lost and don’t really work for anything.
Side note: I am amazed that you think my nationality excludes me from having an opinion on this. It highlights the problem with a community called ‘politics’ on lemmy.****world only about American politics - and apparently only for Americans.
Nobody is saying you can’t have an opinion on it. They’re saying that the ignorance of your opinion is explained by that fact that this asshole’s boot isn’t on your neck.
If you think the answer is to be as morally bankrupt as you think your opponent is, you are ignoring your own supposed values.
This isn’t about values, it’s about winning. I gave up on values because all it got me was a bunch of symbolic but futile victories. My wife’s life is in danger, my black friends are having their history rewritten, and my gay friends now have to worry about the validity of their marriage thanks to values-oriented thinking. I’m fucking done with that chapter. From now on I only care about what I can win for them.
Your are right. But American politics have a way of being everyone’s business and influence a lot of people - people from the EU included. I see this influence on our political system, and it is not pretty. The idea about not playing by any rules is just sad; if you have no compass you are truly lost and don’t really work for anything.
Nice of you to say when you’re not living under the yoke of people who won with no principles and no values. Meanwhile in this world…
Side note: I am amazed that you think my nationality excludes me from having an opinion on this. It highlights the problem with a community called ‘politics’ on lemmy.****world only about American politics - and apparently only for Americans.
The beauty of free speech is that you can have an opinion on this, and I can have an opinion on your opinion. Namely that it’s bullshit and irrelevant. But keep spouting by all means. Meanwhile I’ll wipe the blood off my wife’s uterus and try to figure out the next tactical step I can take to keep her safe. Hope the scene’s not too gruesome from your moral high horse.
Final edit for clarification: You want to discuss non-US politics in this community? Then post a story about non-US politics. I notice you’ve posted exactly nothing, yet you’re here complaining that everything is US-centric. When you eventually do come up with something relevant and interesting, as soon as I show up to finger wag about what I think you should believe about your own country and leaders, feel free to tell me to take a long walk off a short pier. Until that time, both you and I are limited by the submissions that get posted, and which thus far have been US-specific. Unfortunately (for you) that’s how a crowd-sourced forum works. If you’re not part of the crowd, you have to engage with whatever content the crowd wants you to see. Don’t like it? Oh well!
I will not be shamed into being civil to people who are literally trying to get me killed. You may think this is hyperbole but for women who have even intermittently functioning uteruses, the rollback of Roe v Wade can get you killed. Get an ectopic pregnancy or certain kinds of complications in the wrong state and the doctors will delay or even refuse treatment. Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if we started seeing violent attacks by grieving widowers and orphans.
You are never getting that from Mitch McConnell, or any other Republican holding office for that matter, because they’re not even in the same zip code of what your view of politics is. They want to create something that makes them and the people that donate to them rich. More recently, part of them have turned straight fascist.
I would love to have a sane other side to negotiate with, but as a Millennial there has never been a sane other side. Only these profiteering nut bags that have courted the kind of people who want to see anyone who is not a straight, white male of Christian faith heavily restricted by rule of law.
You’re asking us to hold hands and sing “kumbaya” with people who literally want to strip our rights away, who want to make it illegal for us to get married, who are vile racists who suppress voting rights, who call us groomers and other nonsense. Why is it you enlightened centrists always ask the ones being attacked to just take it on the chin and embrace the people who hate us? Why not ask the right wingers to stop being such disgusting people?
It’s simple. Him and his policies and actions hurt the most vulnerable of communities. I wish we could see him brutally beaten to death by the folks he’s disenfranchised, but I guess we’ll have to settle for watching him stroke out and shit his pants on television.
I mean, I also did not enjoy watching those women in Texas cry and vomit while telling their post-Roe stories in court, but the world now has to observe their pain in high definition and this man is almost singularly to blame for it. Two conservative SCOTUS seats can be attributed directly to his actions. He is heralded as a savoir by half of this country for making them suffer, bleed, and even die, and so turnabout is certainly fair play.
Being callous about bad things happening to objectively evil people isn’t even close to the top ten worst things about American politics. These people should know what we think of them, they literally put themselves into the public as servants to the public, by their own choice, and for a great personal profit. They manged to dodge all other accountability, I will not hold my tongue in the name of some imaginary sense of decorum because somones having a rough time after decades of putting thier constituents in rougher times. Ya get what you give, and it’s his turn to get.
His politics and actions in while power have been particularly spiteful towards people not on ‘his side’ or of his ‘station’, despite the fact that we’re supposed to be the United States of America. He hasn’t done a lot to garner good will from me.
I think what separates us from people like him, is that we can be empathetic about a situation. We can see human suffering and be like “Yea, that sucks”
He is clearly unwell and should be getting help, not doing press conferences and making political decisions.
Sure. But it’s also a fact that he is personally responsible for causing the repeal of Roe vs. Wade leading to multiple deaths and untold suffering. It’s very much a situation where I can’t blame anyone wishing him harm as he has by his actions caused harm to others. FAFO applies.
I will never forget the look of absolute giddy glee as he was excitedly explaining to Colbert how SuperPACs allow for unlimited anonymous dark money to be funneled into his coffers.
it’s called schadenfreude, and most people have some sense of it, especially when it comes to seeing bad things happen to people who richly deserve it.
You’re being downvoted but I agree with you. This man is a garbage human and don’t agree with him on anything politically, but I don’t understand how anyone can put themselves above others and revel in another person’s suffering. I say this as a McConnell hater, but I may also be biased. I had a stroke at 30, which caused epilepsy from the damage later. It fucking sucks and I couldn’t wish that on anyone.
I have empathy. I don’t want McConnell to suffer. I just want him gone for the sake of the country. That doesn’t have to be death; he could simply retire and stop being the vampire on democracy that he is.
Most of the comments here are examples of what’s wrong with American politics. How can you, despite your political views, watch this video and be so spiteful?
I dislike, disapprove and disagree with the man on every level. But I do not enjoy watching this.
I mean the man is directly responsible for blocking several Supreme Court justices from being appointed while Obama was president, which led to roe v wade being overturned so uh, Moscow Mitch couldn’t drop dead any faster in my opinion.
I am not going to reply to everybody. But most of the comments - yours too - underline my point.
For me, politics is about creating something better together. Alienating others in the way that’s being expressed here achieves absolutely nothing. It creates no improvement, only more hatred and division.
One big problem with American politics is the polarization between the individuals who should be collaborating. You too are part of the problem with this approach and almost every comment in this thread is just fuel for the fire for someone else.
This is some enlightened Centrist bullshit and you know it.
When someone has been instrumental in the dismantling of democracy in this country, you don’t get to play the “be nice!” card. There is no meeting in the middle with guys like him.
When one side is pushing the extremes, is it really fair to meet in the new middle?
Mr. McConnell’s legacy is the exact opposite of “creating something better together.” That you cannot acknowledge this shows how little you understand politics in the USA.
If politics is about creating something better together, then alienating others in the way that Mitch McConnell did over the course of his entire career achieves absolutely nothing. It creates no improvement, only more hatred and division.
If it hadn’t become clear LONG AGO that if you play politics by the rules you’ll lose every single time, then your appeal to the better angels of our nature would hold. As it stands, we all suffer because RBG appealed to respect and decorum. We all suffer because Obama appealed to respect and decorum. We all suffer because James Comey appealed to respect and decorum. Hell, we all suffer because LBJ appealed to respect and decorum. We suffer because people on the left have spent decades fighting political battles with white gloves on. We reach a hand across the aisle and have a knife inserted into our spinal column.
Mitch McConnell succeeded beyond his wildest dreams because when he sensed blood in the water, he acted with ice in his veins. He abandoned all pretense to get whatever he wanted at every turn, naysayers and opponents be damned. He paved the road of his career with the guts of his enemies and never hesitated to lie, cheat, or steal to gain and maintain power, and we will all spend the rest of our mortal lives living with the ramifications of his actions.
Look around, Helen. American politics can’t get much worse, so if it’s a bloodsport they want, it’s a bloodsport they’ll get.
edit: How very, very convenient that you don’t even live in the US and so you’ll never be directly affected by Mitch McConnell’s actions and have the luxury of finger-wagging at those of us mired in his shit, all the way from the other side of the fucking ocean. How very convenient indeed.
If you think the answer is to be as morally bankrupt as you think your opponent is, you are ignoring your own supposed values.
Your are right. But American politics have a way of being everyone’s business and influence a lot of people - people from the EU included. I see this influence on our political system, and it is not pretty. The idea about not playing by any rules is just sad; if you have no compass you are truly lost and don’t really work for anything.
Side note: I am amazed that you think my nationality excludes me from having an opinion on this. It highlights the problem with a community called ‘politics’ on lemmy.****world only about American politics - and apparently only for Americans.
Nobody is saying you can’t have an opinion on it. They’re saying that the ignorance of your opinion is explained by that fact that this asshole’s boot isn’t on your neck.
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This isn’t about values, it’s about winning. I gave up on values because all it got me was a bunch of symbolic but futile victories. My wife’s life is in danger, my black friends are having their history rewritten, and my gay friends now have to worry about the validity of their marriage thanks to values-oriented thinking. I’m fucking done with that chapter. From now on I only care about what I can win for them.
Nice of you to say when you’re not living under the yoke of people who won with no principles and no values. Meanwhile in this world…
The beauty of free speech is that you can have an opinion on this, and I can have an opinion on your opinion. Namely that it’s bullshit and irrelevant. But keep spouting by all means. Meanwhile I’ll wipe the blood off my wife’s uterus and try to figure out the next tactical step I can take to keep her safe. Hope the scene’s not too gruesome from your moral high horse.
Final edit for clarification: You want to discuss non-US politics in this community? Then post a story about non-US politics. I notice you’ve posted exactly nothing, yet you’re here complaining that everything is US-centric. When you eventually do come up with something relevant and interesting, as soon as I show up to finger wag about what I think you should believe about your own country and leaders, feel free to tell me to take a long walk off a short pier. Until that time, both you and I are limited by the submissions that get posted, and which thus far have been US-specific. Unfortunately (for you) that’s how a crowd-sourced forum works. If you’re not part of the crowd, you have to engage with whatever content the crowd wants you to see. Don’t like it? Oh well!
I will not be shamed into being civil to people who are literally trying to get me killed. You may think this is hyperbole but for women who have even intermittently functioning uteruses, the rollback of Roe v Wade can get you killed. Get an ectopic pregnancy or certain kinds of complications in the wrong state and the doctors will delay or even refuse treatment. Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if we started seeing violent attacks by grieving widowers and orphans.
You are never getting that from Mitch McConnell, or any other Republican holding office for that matter, because they’re not even in the same zip code of what your view of politics is. They want to create something that makes them and the people that donate to them rich. More recently, part of them have turned straight fascist.
I would love to have a sane other side to negotiate with, but as a Millennial there has never been a sane other side. Only these profiteering nut bags that have courted the kind of people who want to see anyone who is not a straight, white male of Christian faith heavily restricted by rule of law.
You’re asking us to hold hands and sing “kumbaya” with people who literally want to strip our rights away, who want to make it illegal for us to get married, who are vile racists who suppress voting rights, who call us groomers and other nonsense. Why is it you enlightened centrists always ask the ones being attacked to just take it on the chin and embrace the people who hate us? Why not ask the right wingers to stop being such disgusting people?
You wouldn’t happen to be a white, cis, male, would you? I ask because you seem to have a somewhat abstract concept of what politics is.
It’s simple. Him and his policies and actions hurt the most vulnerable of communities. I wish we could see him brutally beaten to death by the folks he’s disenfranchised, but I guess we’ll have to settle for watching him stroke out and shit his pants on television.
I mean, I also did not enjoy watching those women in Texas cry and vomit while telling their post-Roe stories in court, but the world now has to observe their pain in high definition and this man is almost singularly to blame for it. Two conservative SCOTUS seats can be attributed directly to his actions. He is heralded as a savoir by half of this country for making them suffer, bleed, and even die, and so turnabout is certainly fair play.
Fuck him sideways.
The worst part is that only scratches the surface of the damage he is responsible for. Fuck him sideways with electroboom’s magic wand
As opposed to what? Being compassionate towards this piece of political garbage? I can’t wait till he’s in the ground.
Being callous about bad things happening to objectively evil people isn’t even close to the top ten worst things about American politics. These people should know what we think of them, they literally put themselves into the public as servants to the public, by their own choice, and for a great personal profit. They manged to dodge all other accountability, I will not hold my tongue in the name of some imaginary sense of decorum because somones having a rough time after decades of putting thier constituents in rougher times. Ya get what you give, and it’s his turn to get.
They actively work on keeping half the country in border line poverty.
Yeah they need to fucking die off already. And as they do, nobody will shed a single tear because fuck 'em.
His politics and actions in while power have been particularly spiteful towards people not on ‘his side’ or of his ‘station’, despite the fact that we’re supposed to be the United States of America. He hasn’t done a lot to garner good will from me.
The man literally, openly wants me to die.
I’m not allowed to reciprocate?
Fuck that.
I reserve my compassion for human beings. If Mitch McConnell ever had any humanity, he sold it a very long time ago.
I think what separates us from people like him, is that we can be empathetic about a situation. We can see human suffering and be like “Yea, that sucks”
He is clearly unwell and should be getting help, not doing press conferences and making political decisions.
Sure. But it’s also a fact that he is personally responsible for causing the repeal of Roe vs. Wade leading to multiple deaths and untold suffering. It’s very much a situation where I can’t blame anyone wishing him harm as he has by his actions caused harm to others. FAFO applies.
I will never forget the look of absolute giddy glee as he was excitedly explaining to Colbert how SuperPACs allow for unlimited anonymous dark money to be funneled into his coffers.
This man has done untold damage and is responsible for an incalculable number of deaths. My empathy does not extend to objective evil.
I agree, but I also recognize that people need to vent their anger and frustration.
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it’s called schadenfreude, and most people have some sense of it, especially when it comes to seeing bad things happen to people who richly deserve it.
Nobody enjoys watching mitch mconel.
At least theres some comfort in knowing it might die soon.
Have you been conscious since 2016? If so, maybe you’d understand people being a little bit spiteful.
You’re being downvoted but I agree with you. This man is a garbage human and don’t agree with him on anything politically, but I don’t understand how anyone can put themselves above others and revel in another person’s suffering. I say this as a McConnell hater, but I may also be biased. I had a stroke at 30, which caused epilepsy from the damage later. It fucking sucks and I couldn’t wish that on anyone.
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This person empathizes. Thank you.
Mitch McConnell, however, does not. So fuck him.
I have empathy. I don’t want McConnell to suffer. I just want him gone for the sake of the country. That doesn’t have to be death; he could simply retire and stop being the vampire on democracy that he is.