The comments are what you expect. All agree that we’re psychopaths who support genocide and just want authority as a goal in itself. All agree we do no leftist praxis, I guess just based on vibes. One user wrote:
let’s be honest, they should be removed from society
which is cool. One-on-one, online or in person, I’m pretty patient with people like this, but when I see a whole thread like this with hundreds of upvotes and no pushback it makes me feel tired.
lemmy.ml link in case any of you have alts and want to wade in: https://lemmy.ml/post/6930975
The democracy thread she commented in right before posting this: https://lemmy.ml/comment/5160468
I have a soft spot for 196. I used to frequent it pretty heavily and a lot of the people there are so fucking sweet but unfortunately so misguided. Their anti-tankie rhetoric often comes from a place genuine concern, they truly believe in democracy under capitalism and radically changing the system from capitalism means removing democracy in their heads. Some of them can be depropagandized, I am living proof of that and I hope one day they’ll come to understand.
I don’t see how someone who lived though the 2020 BLM protests and covid and still thinks they live in a democracy can be radicalized.
If watching every city’s police respond to protests against police brutality with more brutality while every dem increased their funding and republican begged for the blood of children, while a million Americans are sacrificed at the alter of capital didn’t wake them up, I can’t conceive of a scenario that would.
The military using live ammo? Famine?
Ironically, the undoctored image is of a Nazi being punched.
Tankies, famous for getting SS and swastika tattoos, liking screwdriver and not looking like the girl on the left instead
Fidel Castro’s son just had a standing ovation for an SS soldier a few weeks ago. Tell me again that tankies aren’t just Nazis.
Was going to say lol, they got those character assignments backwards
I have made myself the Chad punk girl wojak and you, the soy virgin skinhead wojak
Your move, stalinist
And who are the originators and primary beneficiaries of the premise that international socialists and national ‘socialists’ are the same? Liberals try not to stand on the shoulders of Goebbels challenge (impossible)
I never see “kick Nazis out of 196”. Interesting
i never see ‘kick chasers out of 196’. interesting
It is hard to kick their own ass. And the guy who started this blahaj freefall is clearly a fed cryptonazi.
Kinda weird that they hate “red fash” more than regular fash
They’ll claim it is because there arent very many fascists in their space
Thar be
in that community.Communism is the only political ideology where for some reason it’s acceptable to claim its proponents don’t believe in the things they say and actually secretely believe the opposite. No one is ever “just pretending” to be a liberal, a conservative, a monarchist, a fascist, a social democrat or a libertarian, it’s just communists. They never explain what one gets out of this “pretending” either.
And the worst part is these people are themselves leftists, so they have surely heard the same “you’re just bitter and jealous of rich people
” bullshit from conservatives, but they turn around and repeat it at us.I sometimes peek my head into chud communities and they actually do this too, sometimes with weird funny parallels to what we get. It’s why the term RINO exist. They will frequently accuse conservative figures of secretly being too liberal or too socialist. It was actually frequently mentioned by some who were critical of Trump before he got elected, he was called a New York liberal, etc. Chuds also absolutely accuse liberals of lying and actually being Marxists (don’t laugh!)
Libertarians do this too, frequently accusing their own of being statists or socialists for the smallest violation of ideological purity.
Liberals and conservatives have to accuse us of lying about what we want because we often have political demands that align with theirs, especially if they’re working class, and that causes cognitive dissonance. So the only mental strategy they have is to accuse us of trickery. They’ll make childish analogies like saying socialists want everyone to have a pony, or they’ll say our demands are so extreme there must an equal price to pay. As in, for every gain in rights for the working and poor, there must be an equal loss in rights.
That’s an interesting point I hadn’t considered, but I still think this is different from the ideological purity fights that are common to every ideology.
Like, when we say AOC is a liberal or whatever it’s an expression of disappointment that she’s not as leftist as we’d like. But we’re talking about positions she holds openly, we’re not claiming she secretly doesn’t care about free healthcare, or that it’s a smokescreen for some nefarious purpose. The conservatives fuming about RINOs and the libertarians that booed Gary Johnson for being pro drivers’ licenses (lmao) are operating on a similar principle I think.
The conspiratorial “they’re saying they want good things but it’s a trick to gain power and become evil tyrants” brainworms are very specific to communism I think. The closest thing on our side is when we accuse the reactionary right of knowingly trying to divide the working class by blaming everything wrong with capitalism on X minority, but even then I don’t think they’re “faking” it, necessarily. They really are bigoted and will do bigoted things if given power. It’s not a trick.
Chuds do call everyone a Marxist though, that’s true
These people are a hair’s breadth from posting that Patton “we fought the wrong enemy” quote
undermine democracy
oh no, if that happens… then even if 80% of Americans want universal healthcare we wouldn’t get it!
I read through most of that thread and christ it is tiring, I agree. Historically illiterate bastards equating China to Nazi Germany left and right with only a couple voices of reason.
Their idea of MLs is completely incoherent. What, do I want to be a dictator? I am actively averse to personally having authority, that shit is too much of a hassle, I get a headache just imagining it for the sake of counterargument.
So what do I actually want? Since these people seem to think being ML is just pure “authoritarianism” with no true beliefs of any kind.
I want people to be fed, clothed, housed, educated, and so on [in short: their needs provided for] and I want the entity doing that to defend itself from the capitalists seeking to undermine that process. It’s a very simple desire and something that, for all the valid criticism you can make of the CPC, something it does, as does the DPRK.
You really described it the best, it’s just tiring.
Edit: I wonder how many overt neoliberals are there chanting hand-in-hand with those so-called “anarchists”
They think you’re either lying about wanting liberation for marginalized people, or that you’d entrust the task of liberation to a bunch of liars who would instead simply recreate capitalism but worse. They also believe you secretly harbor a suite of bigotries like transphobia or Islamophobia and you’d gladly endorse genocide against such groups so long as you had some vague aesthetic of socialist revolution. You’re right that it’s incoherent. None of what they’re saying makes sense.
That’s really the entire accusation. You’re both brainwashed and insidious, you’re dishonest, and you praise countries that are designated as “capitalism but worse somehow.”
There’s also a really serious element of nationalism that can’t be ignored in the word “tankie.” It means a westerner who is regarded as a traitor. You’re praising foreign countries who are enemies of the west and that violates every other western political framework. Principled anarchists and communists get called tankies because we’re the only westerners who wholly reject western hegemony.
No no, it’s totally normal to ban tankies on sight but debate openly ableist users.
V*ushites making a claim on being the only real communists once again.
what if I’m using it scientifically?
you’re not
😇
badges of honor
You’re a powerful poster, one of the best
Tankie apologist? No sir I’m just a tankie.
never apologise for being a tankie.
Why yes I support using tanks to end pogroms against Jewish Hungarians by Hungarian ethnic nationalists and Nazi collaborators
I used to lurk on r/196 a lot. Doing that actually helped push me further left than I was before and it felt like a safe space by being so pro-LGBT. But after becoming a communist, seeing how “anti-tankie” and liberal they often are, it’s just sad really. I feel like there’s a sizable portion of people there that just want to feel they belong and end up buying into the whole “anti-tankie” narrative without knowing better.
Also, this image in particular is fucking insulting. Equating us to nazis is not only revolting, it shows how little they understand of what they are talking about.
I honestly don’t even remember the anti-tankie stuff was that common early on. It was always around, but at some point it got really thick really fast.
I sometimes wonder if it was during the Keffals/kiwifarms arc, which brought in a lot of vaushites.
The lemmy 196 is even worse than the reddit one. They’re just constantly on, and see themselves as coldwarriors fighting the red menace. Meanwhile, they let weirdass views to their right just slide by.
I thought there was a chance lemmy 196 would be less weird, and opened an account there even, but it’s just all the mods doing redscare all the time. Fuck that place.
I wasn’t there from the beginning, but I remember at least seeing some anti-tankie sentiment, and it definitely got worse over the short time I was lurking there. One time I remember was just after opening again after the reddit protests, where there was this same image posted there with loads of people commenting.
I also almost joined their instance here on Lemmy like you did, but I decided to join Lemmygrad after seeing their anti-tankie banner lol.
even banned users are evading and participating in a community it calls reactionary and transphobic just to stick it to hexbear tankies
That user is dronerights, talking about itself.
It was banned for transphobia.
I look forward to a week or two from now when we can just lump it in with
Ngl, dronerights was a way better wrecker than silver legion, like it caused a large struggle session on blahaj, hexbear and beehaw one after the other.
But now it’s just clawing to have that level of, idk, influence again. in a way, its fall from posting grace is kind of depressing
I’m unfamiliar with this piece of hexbear lore.
Silver legion or dronerights?
Silver legion.
- is Nate Silvers fan club
Can’t remember how long back it happened, but it goes a little something like this:
A user called Silverlegion
posted this screed in main
Hello Chapo community. We have been working in the shadows for a while to sow discord in the community. We have alienated dozens of your members. We have led innocent people to be slaughtered by your hands. We have hacked into and suicided accounts. We might even mod a comm or two. The time for cooperation is over. Our only goal is to make this community unsafe and ensure its users feel unwelcome.
We reckon you have about 2 months before this site closes for good.
Remember the three S’s: Scare, Scatter, and Sabotage.
We are Silver Legion.
Keep an eye out for us. Expect something big soon.
From then on for a while any time a user was banned, Silverlegion would post from an alt claiming they hacked the user that got banned to make them post cringe, with the claim that they were going to cause Hexbear to fight amongst themselves until no one is left.
Eventually Silverlegion claimed that they were gonna hack Hexbear and permanently take it down somehow.
On the day Silverlegion claimed Hexbear would fall, the site was closed for a while for maintenance.
Hexbear users found the whole affair hilarious and parody accounts were made to make fun of Silverlegion.
To this day it’s unclear whether Silverlegion was a Hexbear that was really committed to the bit, or a wrecker with a habit of threatening way beyond their capabilities.
Real nice “leftist” community they’ve got over there
Edit: also this,
Anti-authoritarian is when you ban certain political persuasions from public life
Holy cow the anti tankies are actually just fascists who possibly could have guessed.
they “should be physically removed” 🚁
That’s a dog whistle towards Pinochet, right?
Anti-communists once again proving they’ll side with fascists without a second’s hesitation.
Virgin flying a helicopter to execute communists:
-
Contributes to climate change
-
Cringe fascist dogwhistle
-
Overplayed meme
Chad pushing fascists into the cuck pit:
-
Return fascist to soil
-
Even Google understands the reference
-
Forever funny
Credit where credit is due, Yugoslavian partisans knew what to do with a fascist.
-
Yeah
They are so close to realizing that the word is as meaningless as “woke”
It isn’t meaningless, in the same way “woke” isn’t meaningless. It is purely reactionary. A primal visceral hatred of change, of a shift in status (particularly their own), of anything that might - even superficially - undermine their own sense of supremacy.
Woke is the sentiment that causes people to reject the modern state of affairs.
Tankies are the agents of change, coming to plow up their fields of strange fruit.
Tankies are the agents of change, coming to plow up their fields of strange fruit.
BARS holy shit. I think that’s my favorite line I’ve seen posted here all fuckin month.
For those that dont know.
spoiler
Strange fruit was a reference to black people hanging from trees.
Same kind of fascism I’d expect to lurk in 3-no’s queers. Then they wonder why I advocate for the total disfellowshipping of these consumer-queers-- if they wanna lay down with nazis, klansmen, and state dept. agents, let 'em. I won’t be the one deworming and flea bathing them after their masters are done beating them like government mules.
What’s 3-no?
Someone who got “no blacks, no fats, no fems” at the top of whatever gay dating profile they’re currently on.
That this is common enough for there to be a term for it says volumes, none of it goodThere were so many a few years back that it was genuinely easier to stop expecting anything but micro- if not macro-aggressions out of white queers and refactor my “who I talk to” accordingly. Couldn’t tell you the landscape now– it was bad enough years ago that I just threw the shit out and started moving by introduction based on folk my homies have vetted.
Calling it a subreddit when you’re not on reddit. I’m sorry, it’s a terminal case of :lemmitor:#
omfg
didnt you get banned from there for a similar call out
Yeah, I got suspended from the original sub ages ago bcs I got into a heated argument at someone in the replies to an “upvote to scare the tankies” meme that was just a picture of Syngman Rhee and then banned at a later date over getting angry at someone for saying that the US should go back into Afghanistan to liberate them from the Taliban.
I also got banned from the blahaj version recently for saying something along the lines of “ngl, it’s sus af that you’re accusing someone of being a tankie for posting an anti-fascist, anti US government meme” in reply to a comment that said “kick tankies out of 196” in the comments to that meme about the US hiring Nazi officials
“upvote to scare the tankies” meme that was just a picture of Syngman Rhee
Jesus Christ what the fuck
meme that was just a picture of Syngman Rhee
A Yankee sock puppet that spent more of his life speaking English instead of his mother tongue?
Ooooooo spoooooky
man i just hate “authoritarianism”!
i just wish blahaj banned 196 so we could all have a nice established trans specific server to be on without being harassed by chasers
. i hate how the queer community is so fragmented on the fediverse
Even as an anarchist that place frequently makes me cringe
It’s not ideologically anarchist, it’s aesthetically anarchist. Which is why they latch on to a century old conflict between anarchists and Marxist leninists in Spain instead of actually applying any sort of critical rigor to their interactions with the world.
Sometimes the more well read ones’ll bring up Makhnovshchina, but typically don’t know much more than they fought against the Soviets in the aftermath of the revolution.
Because real, serious anarchists rarely bother with this annoying mindgame shit. (When they do it always fatally fucks them over)
social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism
