The Colorado Department of State warned that it would be “a matter for the Courts” if the state’s Republican party withdrew from or ignored the results of the primary.
Remember when people who employed fascist rhetoric, incited riots at Capitols, tried to destroy democracy and kill a sitting Vice President were considered terrorists by everyone and weren’t to be negotiated with?
Pepperidge Farms does.Pepperidge Farms does.
Doubtful. They’re probably back to donating money to fascists for a 1% lower tax rate.
The comments in conservative communities are saying “democrats” are fascists and blaming them for shit conservatives did in the past prior to the voting rights act.
Basically flaunting their ignorance of history and the southern strategy while intentionally muddying the waters with projection. It’s gross
Plot Twist: They’ve already gone rogue. Right now they’re just bullying to get what they want.
They can just go fuck themselves. 🖕
Right? Every threat was something they’re already doing.
And from 2000-2015, democrats have been bending over.
I’m glad they’re starting to recognize the BS.
I wonder what a rogue GOP looks like if that isn’t what we have been looking at all our lifes…
Do you think a rogue GOP would storm the capital even more?
But this time, they mean it!
What does that mean, they’ll have their own election with blackjack and hookers?
Don’t say black in the presence of GOPers.
This has nothing to do with Melanie trump.
They’re just going to take their burning cross and go home.
Dave Williams, the chairman of the state party, reaffirmed the plan. “I’m not going to let these sons of bitches dictate who we’re going to nominate,”
Where was Dave on January 6th?
Pretty sure anyone giving comfort to Trump on this matter now is giving comfort to an insurrectionist. Time to clean house.
The goddamn constitution is the one dictating
do it then. no one’s afraid of you. y’all threaten a civil war every time the waiter forgets your ranch. we’re done capitulating to threats. do it or shut the fuck up.
Dave Williams, the chairman of the state party, reaffirmed the plan. “I’m not going to let these sons of bitches dictate who we’re going to nominate,” he said
So eloquently put by the chairman of the party of Christian family values.
Well, they can do their caucus thing as they like. As long as Trump will not appear on the ballot, I’m fine with it.
The courts decision is a bit wonky, though. I don’t consider “being the candidate for party X” an “office, civil or military, of the United States”, so banning him from the primaries is (IMHO) unwarranted. On the other hand, the court admits that Trumps actions are valid reasons to invoke A14, so removing him from the ballot papers for November would be justified. And that is the only place that counts.
Luckily for you, Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch already ruled on that precise topic when he was a Colorado judge. A foreign born man who had become a US citizen, a person who is ineligible by default, still insisted he should have the right to run for president even if he can’t take office.
Gorsuch ruled that the state had a responsibility to prevent anyone who is ineligible for office from even being allowed on the ballot.
His decision was even cited in Trumps ruling.
And that makes sense. If a person can’t legally hold the office, it’s letting people waste their votes by allowing that person to remain on the ballot.
You might argue that people should know all about who they’re voting for, but we all know that’s not the case.
He didn’t actually rule on this. There was no question of eligibility in that case, it was just whether being ineligible for the position gave the state the right to block him from the ballot. This one will hinge on whether or not the amendment applies to trump. And based on the wording of the amendment, unfortunately, they have multiple ways to reasonably argue it does not, and we all know the conservative majority will rule he is eligible.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States
Can’t hold any office. Pretty plain.
If by the 14th he is not eligible for the presidency outside of 2/3rds of Congress voting to waive that, then why the fuck should he be on the ballot? It’s pointless.
That’s like saying I’m banned from a venue but keeping me from getting in line to enter is unfair and unwarranted.
Do you hear yourself? I guess you think you know better than the high courts lmao
If there’s one good thing to have come from Trump, it is that he has exposed how terrible at making laws, the politicians have been
that’s the part that irks me the most about modern American politics.
30% of the current House and 51% of current Senators have law degrees. these are supposed “experts”; you’d think they would be able to write better laws…
The relevant laws were written hundreds of years ago, by people who probably thought the meaning was obvious.
why the fuck should he be on the ballot?
Because the Republicans should be able to do whatever they want in their candidate selection process, all the way up to and including running a disqualified candidate. It’s their club and they can run it however they like.
They should be allowed to choose the candidate but the state shouldn’t be forced to put him there. He’s disqualified. It should be equivalent to the party dropping out of the race if they pick him…
That’s exactly what should happen.
You want to nominate a dog to run for president? You want to nominate a fictional character to run for president? You want to nominate a dead person to run for president?
Go ahead.
The state is not obligated to put that nominee on the ballot because that nominee is 100% ineligible to hold the office of president.
Although thinking about it, it WOULD be hilarious if he was on the ballot while being absolutely for-sure barred from office. At least unless he somehow won, then the evil Republicans would whip up the moronic conservatives and we’d have ourselves an actual civil war…
Yeah, it’s more than just a social club electing a leader, though. It’s quite literally our nation sorting out our presidential elections. I think some legal boundaries outside the norm are in order for these two particular “clubs.”
You go ahead and make Trump the leader of your rotary club, though.
I reluctantly agree with this. If they want to nominate or even elect a candidate that cannot serve, so be it. When the time comes to take office, the person with the most votes that is qualified to serve should take the office.
Remember Jan 6th? That was their attempt at a civil war. We believe them, we just don’t give a damn because they’re like that anyway.
Good luck? He’s still not going to be on the ballot or eligible for a write in campaign.
This is only the primary ballot. He’d still appear on the final ballot if nominated by the party.
Really? I don’t remember anything like that from the 14th. If he’s ineligible he won’t appear on any ballot in that state.
It’s apparently what the court ordered. I haven’t read it though.
And if the state Supreme Court agreed they wouldn’t have reversed the lower court.
You’re setting yourself up to be sorely disappointed when the scotus rules that he is eligible and they can’t remove him from the ballot, and the argument will be completely reasonable based on the he stupid wording of the amendment.
Oh? So you buy that line that the President is not an officer of the government?
Yes, it’s a sound and well-reasoned legal argument which has been adopted by the Supreme Court and was relied upon by the Court less than 15 years ago.
Was it “Free Enterprise Fund v. Public Company Accounting Oversight Bd., 561 U.S. 477 (2010)”?
Because we already talked about how that case wasn’t about the president in anything more than their supervisory powers over appointees.
Considering the scotus has already ruled that we don’t elect officers in the US…yes, I do find that argument to be reasonable.
I’m assuming you have a source for that?
Alright. That’s not how SCOTUS rulings work. They aren’t word for word law like a bill. So the observation of what an officer is in regards to presidential supervision is exactly that. The holding was that they could not protect an appointee from being fired by using other appointees as a cut out. But only in that case for reasons of breadth of impact and functionally creating law by regulation. It is not an opinion on whether or not the President is an officer under the 14th amendment.
Which Reason does actually point out; more than I expected from them. But they are right that there will be arguments in front of the court over it if the case is accepted. To say that’s required is kind of a duh moment. Nobody goes to the SCOTUS and just shrugs.
Smells like bullshit around here.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States…
Pretty clear. Hold any office. He can’t hold any office.
Unlikely.
I wish I had your optimism.
So are we just downvoting things we don’t want to hear now?
As a non-US citizen I’m curious to know the arguments for both sides…just sticking my fingers in my ears and singing “la la la can’t hear you” ain’t gonna change the result…no matter which way it goes.
So, for the curious, why is this reply wrong? Do we think a republican weighted Scotus that overturned Roe v Wade would allow their sponsor to get ruled out of the election?
Go ahead, lol. Vote for someone who can’t be president.
I love that instead of doing any type of introspection about letting someone that has been channeling Hitler in his campaign rails, and tried to overthrow the US government to remain in power represent your political party, they just want to change the rules basically making the choice for the voters that might want a real candidate.
They WANT the strongman in power. That’s the point. They’re terrible people who want to do terrible things.
Just seems at this point no matter your drive for bad intentions you would see Trump is poison for anyone in his orbit. Bill Barr (somehow ) and his Generals (that had to stop him from launching missiles into Mexico) seem to be the only ones that held any top positions without being part of an investigation of some sort. The party is full of terrible people, seems like it would be easier to find a Hitler nobody knows/suspects like they did in Congress.
I think they see a useful personality. Hard to build a cult of personality when normally, your best orrators come across like a prudish pastor trying to do calculus while receiving head…
But probably better to find one that can wait to do all the crime AFTER they seize complete control of the government. Right now you have a good chance of being charged if you step into his orbit because he can’t stop committing crimes and then doubling down them when confronted (like his defamation case where once he was done he doubled down and set himself up for another).
Yea, but my point is: look what they’re working with. Frigging Mike Pence was picked to counter the less scrupulous parts of Trump’s character.
It’s Trump, because every other Republican is quite literally too stupid, obviously evil, or too boring. Or a mixture of the three in most cases.
That’s always the problem with fascists being effective: They’re very lame people.
Pence was to get the gullible Christian vote, then quickly after Trump learned it was about being racist, not religion at all, and stopped even pretending to care about religion or Pence.
That’s completely wrong. Remember the whole posing with the (upside down) bible in front of the church?
That was years in…
Colorado GOP: removes trump from ballot. Also Colorado GOP: rages that trump was removed from ballot.
“snowflake” doesn’t even begin to describe the level of self-flagellation the GOP have for themselves.
seek therapy, GOP.
If they try to still put him on the ballot, Colorado should treat it as if he isn’t on there and announce the second place Republican as the winner for the state’s primary.
The republicans literally can’t put him on the ballot. They don’t print the ballots.
They’ll just tell people to write Trump in.
Oh, I’m sure they’d still try something incredibly dumb.
Tldr…
Wtf does that even mean in context of his job position?
