I’ll be honest with you: all but one of the half-dozen (which is too many, BTW) cars I own have manual transmissions, and half of them don’t even have ABS, let alone any other fancy electronic nannies. I mention that to help explain the extent to which I am fundamentally Not On Board with anything that interferes with my manual control of the car.

Well that’s fair. You know what you want, nothing wrong with that.

I would absolutely insist on the maximum torque the self-driving system could apply being much less than the strength of the human driver. I don’t know if that’s the case in late-model vehicles or not, but if it isn’t, I would consider those vehicles to have an unsafe design.

I really don’t know on this either. Even if you can overpower it though in a worst case fighting you scenario, I imagine that would be a pretty fucked up driving moment.

Exactly: the same signal. If the electronics controlling it receive one input from the steering wheel and a different input from the self-driving computer, are you sure it will prioritize the steering wheel input in every single possible circumstance? 'Cause I’m not!

That’s an interesting point there, but have you considered that even with a mechanical link and current safety features, it can still override you? I unfortunately almost drove into someone at very low speeds in a dark rainy parking lot, but the cars safety systems overrode me thankfully. I don’t think they would have been injured it was so slow, but just to show that nowadays with cars you don’t always have full control. In that case it was the brakes not steering, but modern cars can and will prevent you from changing lanes into someone in your blind spot for example.

All of it, mechanical link or not, ultimately comes down to software now, and I’m not sure there would be any real difference between your steering wheel input overriding a self driving system with or without a mechanical link. Putting torque on the wheel while in these semi self driving modes disables the self driving features, but that’s software that disables it when you take over. What if that software failed and you were now fighting the self driving car also trying to steer and as you tried to steer it put equal power against you thinking the steering was rough?

Also with steer by wire if there is a catastrophic failure, turning the wheel will simply do nothing. E.g if both motors simultaneously die, or somehow all 3 signal wires at the steering wheel are cut. Edit: I believe it’s dual battery redundant as well, so the HV and 48v would both need to die to kill steering.

So I looked it up, and you’re right, steering isn’t part of the power train. Looks like its it’s own thing.

I don’t think it’s right to lump it in with the L2 system though as it’s taking your input and translating it into the appropriate movement. The L2 driving system decides to go left or right and will send the same signal you would by steering left or right. I guess it’s just it’s own thing just like power steering is it’s own thing.

Obviously this is first gen tech in cars, but it’s been around for quite awhile in aviation with no backup mechanical link, we haven’t all died yet.

Tesla’s system is triple redundant, but that doesn’t guarantee something won’t go wrong, only time will tell on that one. Maybe we learn triple isn’t enough and the NHSTA mandates quad?

I do have a feeling though, that within 20 years or so, it’s almost all going to be steer by wire. It’s safer in the event of a crash as you don’t have the steering shaft in front of you. It also saves space from not needing all the mechanical linkage. I imagine insurance would have higher rates on cars that don’t have steer by wire as well due to increased risk in accidents.

Edit: I would add though that motors are part of their specialty, and the steer by wire system is using 2 of them, so they do get some of their existing expertise on that.

Edit: I guess the triple redundancy is on the steering input. Obviously with only the 2 motors, thats only double redundant.

Fake it till you make it.

Or in this case, fake it you’ll become it.

I think this needs further clarification

They have a problem with their wives being able to divorce them on their own.

That’s nice to hear. Was worried they’d somehow stop that one too.

There’s a lot of Tesla hate on build quaility on Lemmy/Reddit, but they actually have some of the most reliable power trains and exceptional software. There was some problems back in the very early days of the Model S with the 85kw/h packs, but they’ve moved beyond that now.

Given this is part of the power train, and software, it’s right in line with their expertise.

Can we throw a slice of pizza in there?

What does that have to do with how a vehicle feels when driving it?

You don’t require a credit card to develop, you require a credit card for publish.

AI can create faces and bodies that have never existed. From there it might just take a lot of prompt engineering, but to say you have to train it on CP is false.

Edit: Also that’s only considering life like CP. There’s the whole cartoon/manga side of things which IS purely fictional at all times but will get you sent to prison if transmitted over an open carrier.

It’s really mind boggling how big that airbag recall is.

Now that it’s available for sale, and ignoring the looks/stainless steel aspects, I think the biggest thing to be excited about is the steer by wire.

Reviews seem to be saying it drives exceptionally well because of it, and that’d really differentiate it from the other options.

Edit: the steer by wire with the 4 wheel steering.

A lot of people are declining a 20k markup for a foundation series.

A lot of people will also be declining since the prices don’t match the initial specs, but we really don’t have a clear picture on that yet.

Not only are you likely to get the most problems, you’re usually paying more for them as well.

What ever happened to the loan forgiveness plan where all they were doing was correctly applying the law to loans that should have been legally forgiven already, but weren’t, due to bureaucracy?

God killed those baby’s, not humans, so it’s all good.

The best deals you usually only get 2 or 3 toppings as well.

I can make a nice pizza with 3, but 2 often feels lacking.

I had to Google that word, but it’s legit

I wonder how far we are from these being fully submersible and just going around laying mines unseen.