For some, “never again” means “never again let this happen to any People”, to others, it means “never again let this happen to us”. Unfortunately, it is much more common in the Israeli right to understand it the second way.
To be honest, after the thousands of years of literally everyone else treating the Jewish people in that manner, I don’t blame them for lashing out.
And don’t waste your breath with that two wrongs don’t make a right bullshit; in the real world they absolutely do, all the time. All punishment involves harming someone else and is therefore wrong to you twits. Harm isn’t always wrong.
I only sympathize with the Palestinians because they genuinely are innocent. Dumbass groups like Hamas who think they can provoke others by enacting cruelties and then shift world focus on their enemies’ reaction to them instead of rightfully blaming them for all of the chaos and destruction? Nah. Miss me with that shit. I’m not some rube who can be manipulated in such a manner the way the rest of you are.
So you also don’t blame Hamas for what they did by that logic. Or is 100 years too short for your sensibilities, would another century of abuse help? Gaza is already worse than the Warsaw ghetto in the 30s-40s, when do they get their war crime pass?
Also, quick reminder that the current Israeli government has sent cash and resources to Hamas because people like you will see hamas’ behavior and think they aren’t the ones being provoked intentionally to generate a good causus belli for sociopaths to glass the region. The Likud party has in their mission statement that Israel will own the land from the sea to the Jordan river so Hamas isn’t the only party with “river to the sea” rhetoric.
I don’t waste time blaming either side because it’s a war they have been fighting for a thousand years and will keep fighting until one side successfully wipes out the other. Which means unless you want genocide, you’ll have endless war.
Peace is not always possible or desirable, and that’s a fact of life you need to learn to accept.
Now you can choose to get mad at me for telling you hard truths you don’t want to hear, or you can find something better to do with your life than waste oxygen arguing with random strangers on the internet. Your choice.
Positive peace is always desirable unless you’re a person with violent tendencies. Obviously “peace” on its own bases its value on the conditions of the peace. You haven’t dropped anything but smug proclamations about the most basic philosophy 101 material.
I will say though , interesting way to waste your time on the internet, snarking people for wasting time on the internet.
Oh and here’s a little truth for you, you don’t use oxygen to type. You use it to speak.
By all indications Germans (at least their political elites and a large part of the population) seem to have learned “never again” as being “never again do this to Jews” rather than “never again do this to other human beings”, hence they keep on giving unwavering support to Israel.
The racism never ended, all that happenned is that an etnicity who were “one of them” became “one of us”, hence the continued support of Israel and their actions: it’s “those like us” doing it to “them”, hence different moral limits if any apply than if it was “anybody vs those like us” (as it was in the Russian invasion of Ukraine were even a fraction done to Ukranians of what is being done to Palestinians led this very same German leadership to impose sanctions and break its long standing rules and start providing military help to the victims).
If there is one (somewhat surprising) thing this situation in Gaza brough to light, is how Germany doesn’t seem to have learned the absolute nature of the Evil of hyper-racist ultranationalist Fascism, instead it’s all seen as relative, the Evil being not in the nature of the actions but in the specific etnicity of the Fascists and their victims.
For some, “never again” means “never again let this happen to any People”, to others, it means “never again let this happen to us”. Unfortunately, it is much more common in the Israeli right to understand it the second way.
The Israeli right: flatten the whole place, I want to salt the earth so they have nowhere to return to and they’re destroyed forever.
Israeli moderates: the IDF can have a little white phosphorous, as a treat
To be honest, after the thousands of years of literally everyone else treating the Jewish people in that manner, I don’t blame them for lashing out.
And don’t waste your breath with that two wrongs don’t make a right bullshit; in the real world they absolutely do, all the time. All punishment involves harming someone else and is therefore wrong to you twits. Harm isn’t always wrong.
I only sympathize with the Palestinians because they genuinely are innocent. Dumbass groups like Hamas who think they can provoke others by enacting cruelties and then shift world focus on their enemies’ reaction to them instead of rightfully blaming them for all of the chaos and destruction? Nah. Miss me with that shit. I’m not some rube who can be manipulated in such a manner the way the rest of you are.
It’s all wrongs on both sides and always will be.
So you also don’t blame Hamas for what they did by that logic. Or is 100 years too short for your sensibilities, would another century of abuse help? Gaza is already worse than the Warsaw ghetto in the 30s-40s, when do they get their war crime pass?
Also, quick reminder that the current Israeli government has sent cash and resources to Hamas because people like you will see hamas’ behavior and think they aren’t the ones being provoked intentionally to generate a good causus belli for sociopaths to glass the region. The Likud party has in their mission statement that Israel will own the land from the sea to the Jordan river so Hamas isn’t the only party with “river to the sea” rhetoric.
I don’t waste time blaming either side because it’s a war they have been fighting for a thousand years and will keep fighting until one side successfully wipes out the other. Which means unless you want genocide, you’ll have endless war.
Peace is not always possible or desirable, and that’s a fact of life you need to learn to accept.
Now you can choose to get mad at me for telling you hard truths you don’t want to hear, or you can find something better to do with your life than waste oxygen arguing with random strangers on the internet. Your choice.
Positive peace is always desirable unless you’re a person with violent tendencies. Obviously “peace” on its own bases its value on the conditions of the peace. You haven’t dropped anything but smug proclamations about the most basic philosophy 101 material.
I will say though , interesting way to waste your time on the internet, snarking people for wasting time on the internet.
Oh and here’s a little truth for you, you don’t use oxygen to type. You use it to speak.
By all indications Germans (at least their political elites and a large part of the population) seem to have learned “never again” as being “never again do this to Jews” rather than “never again do this to other human beings”, hence they keep on giving unwavering support to Israel.
The racism never ended, all that happenned is that an etnicity who were “one of them” became “one of us”, hence the continued support of Israel and their actions: it’s “those like us” doing it to “them”, hence different moral limits if any apply than if it was “anybody vs those like us” (as it was in the Russian invasion of Ukraine were even a fraction done to Ukranians of what is being done to Palestinians led this very same German leadership to impose sanctions and break its long standing rules and start providing military help to the victims).
If there is one (somewhat surprising) thing this situation in Gaza brough to light, is how Germany doesn’t seem to have learned the absolute nature of the Evil of hyper-racist ultranationalist Fascism, instead it’s all seen as relative, the Evil being not in the nature of the actions but in the specific etnicity of the Fascists and their victims.