Their foot steps sound like they just have 2 pegs for feet… they hit so hard.
And they frequently, almost daily, spend the entire evening stomping around the entire footprint of their apartment.
Are there people who really just get the top floor, and think “I’m so smart, and everyone else can get fucked” then proceed to make all the fucking noise in the world?
I kind of wish that multi-unit housing came with sound isolation ratings. That’d create an incentive to have better isolation and help customers weigh the tradeoffs.
we need to put sound insulation into the building codes. it won’t increase rents much since all the money’s in the land anyways. personally I’ve never had an actual issue with noise form other units but I’ll grant this to the people who do.
I don’t really want to force a specific bottom limit on sound insulation, which is what that would do, though.
Some people won’t care as much as others relative to price and may not want to pay what it’d cost. And some people may want a much-quieter unit than any bottom limit would place.
The problem is that they can’t make an informed decision now because the information isn’t available.
Might be worth just mandating it since you can also fix thermal efficiency issues at the same time. And that affects everyone since poor thermal efficiency = more pressure on the electricity grid and increased risks of extreme cold and heat to individuals.
But transparency would certainly be better than nothing.
So just stick all the poor people with the paper thin walls?
First, IBC has had this as code for at least 15 years.
The International Building Code (IBC) establishes minimum requirements for airborne and impact performance of multifamily buildings. The minimum code requirement is STC 50 and IIC 50. Since many factors can affect the transmission of sound in the field, including non-standardized source and receiver rooms as well as construction tolerances, a field measurement (ASTC or AIIC) of three to five points below the lab measurement is acceptable to meet code requirements.
As the understanding increased of how STC and IIC ratings correlate with occupant comfort, the International Code Council (ICC) issued ICC G2-2010, “Guideline for Acoustics,” which established two additional levels of acoustical performance:
acceptable, defined as STC 55 and IIC 55; and preferred amount of isolation as STC 60 and IIC 60
Second, all the money is most definitely not in the land. As a general ballpark, developers want the land to be under 1/4 of the total cost of the project.
Nice. How effective is that minimum standard? Most currently existing buildings are of course older than 15 years so most people won’t have experienced it. Sadly these days anywhere remotely urban has way more than 1/4 the cost as land, espically for already existing buildings
Pretty sure sound isolation is a factor in LEED rating
It is, but LEED was kind of a flash-in-the-pan fad for tax breaks and hardly any developers strive for a LEED certificate anymore (exception I’ve seen is govt projects). the cost of LEED certification is too much for most developers to stomach.
Nowadays I mostly see LEED as an extra set of letters in a person’s email signature.
Perhaps LEED should be replaced by a bunch of smaller certifications, each covering only a tiny subset.
It is nice to have one logo you can stick on a building, instead of lots of them. But after a little pushing it could be normalized to have a spot for multiple plaques near the entrance of a building, showing which certs it has earned.
Then you have a lower bar for entry and owners can choose a la carte what they want to strive for, and disregard the rest.
Like, a sound isolation rating on an apartment building would be a huge selling point. Have a certifying company that brings in big speakers and microphones and tests room-to-room sound conduction. Then you get a certification for the soundproofing.
I guess the nice thing about private cert authorities is anybody can just do this. It would take a while to get recognized but you could solve the two-sided marketplace problem pretty easily.
LEED kinda works like that with the different levels. LEED Gold checks off requirements a, b, and c; LEED Platinum also includes d and e, etc. I’m not LEED accredited, though, so I can’t speak to the finer differences.
There is a new standard making headway called WELL Certification . I’m not sure the difference between this and LEED but I’d be interested to learn more one day.
There are standards for such ratings, and several countries have mandated minimums, which lead to longer and healthier lives.
This is part of my argument against the recent trend to allow bigger wood framed buildings, so they’re cheaper. There’s only so much you can do to soundproof a multi family house, but a large apartment building needs more. You know here’s higher risk of fires, flooding and damage just by having more people. You know statistically there will be noise issues. You can’t just pass the responsibility on the tenants when you know this will be a problem. Larger buildings should be required to be built in a way to protect tenants from this, ie. Not wood. They deserve at least as much consideration as the builder’s profits
Larger buildings are required to do this under IBC, and have been for many years. You can absolutely make a modern multifamily wood framed building quiet with proper design and construction.
There’s no perfect building material. Wood has issues. But concrete is terrible for the planet from a climate perspective and we’re rapidly running out of quality aggregate (especially sand) in many parts of the world. You can make a list of pros and cons about any other material, too.
I love this game! I used to play it all the time back in the day…
- maybe they’re holding a sumo wrestler training camp?
- or possibly training for the hobbyhorse championships?
- they could be amateur wine makers and they’re stomping grapes?
- they might just be working on their sweet parkour moves?
- it’s possible that they’re working on their MMA game?
- slim odds, but they may be anthropophobic and love a good game of bocce?
- they’re perpetually stuck on the P90X plyometrics workout?
- you live below Kriss Kross and they’re reliving the glory days?
Edit: in all honesty, some people have just never learned the toe->heel method of walking so they clod around like horses
Many people have terrible gaits and slam their heels down as they walk. I don’t know how someone comes to walk this way, as I’d imagine it is comfortable or great for the joints.
Typically it’s due to shoes
I spent a lot of time barefoot as a kid and now I wear barefoot shoes when not at work, I walk on the balls of my feet
My roommate slams his heels into the ground hard enough I can tell when he gets home as I can hear him walking up the stairs outside the apartment
He wore shoes all the time as a kid and primarily wears boots
What are barefoot shoes?
Basically, moccasins. Very thin, very flexible soles, with a wide toe box, so your feet can fully splay. They offer some protection against sharp rocks and similar hazards, but absolutely no support. Some have individual toes instead of a toe box.
They also make your feet absolutely ripped. I bought a pair from Vivo Barefoot a year and a half ago and they took about a month to not be tiring to walk in. I felt muscles in my feet I didn’t know existed, and now my feet are the most vascular part of my body and look like I do some crazy for specific exercise. I can’t wear normal shoes anymore because my toes feel cramped, not being able to feel the ground feels weird, and I feel like I’m gonna slip way more because I can’t “grip” the ground with my foot.
My back doesn’t hurt from walking anymore. Highly recommend, but you gotta give yourself a month to get used to them. Many barefoot shoe stores do 90 day returns no questions asked to give you time to adjust.
I had a neighbour I lived next to that no joke the kids used to play basketball inside the apartment. We met the poor person below them once and she asked almost jokingly if they play basketball. Yes, yes they do that is what they’re doing.
Luckily at my new apartment I don’t have to wonder what they’re doing because in addition to the stomping I can also hear their kids fucking screaming the entire day. Do they jump on their bed at 5 am? Why yes. Do they chase the dog around at 2 pm? Why yes, yes they do. Does their dad come home and yell at them at 5 pm? Why yes! Yes he does.
It’s possible they are either disabled or have a disabled friend / family member visiting. Someone who can walk but not well. In either case hopefully it’s just one off.
Unlikely disabled, because they move quite swiftly. It’s been months, so unfortunately not one off.
Different than other people who lived above you?
It could just be the way the apartment/housing is built making any normal walking loud for you.
Have been living together with my brother with only one wall in between that has nothing in between and let me tell you: two drywalls with air in between resonates just right on a mechanical keyboard at 2am. Now obviously floors have quite different standards even just when it comes to the load they have to carry, but that said, there’s things that make it better and worse. Carpets can be good, dampening in between is good, putting little silicon plates in between stuff that connects to the floor is also good.
And then ofc if they decided to start dropping pianos on the daily, that might make a difference.
Either way, talking to them is probably the best option. There’s not really much you can do about noise from the floor above you.
The worst offenders are usually obese people with bad gaits where they pound the ground with their heels every step
We call ours the centaurs who live upstairs sometimes. They’re just some college girls, definitely not disabled or anything. They make just as much noise flying up and down the stairs sometimes. They’re definitely louder than anyone else who has ever lived above or below us. I think they legit do some sort of dance or exercise routine because sometimes it’s very regular, rhythmic. Idk it’s happy sounds. Happy neighbors having a good time don’t usually bother me, no matter how noisy they are. I’m sure I have a limit, but noisy walking and the occasional party isn’t gonna get me there.
I was about to link this video, so funny
So it’s not just me? I know they’re not just walking around; the insulation is pretty good. But they certainly thump around in random intervals up there, like they’re constantly arranging furniture. I thought maybe they had a dog but they don’t. And they only seem to be active between the hours 3 and 6 am.
Still not as bad as my next door neighbors who come outside their front door at 5am every single day, standing right in front of my bedroom window and yell at each other for an hour. I’m 🤏 this close to opening the window and yelling at them to STFU.
Go outside theirs at 4am and do the same.
So, people can’t walk around their own apartment? If I pay rent, I expect to be able to walk around my apartment as much as I want, even wearing shoes, this is not unreasonable. This is a building code problem, not your neighbors being assholes.
There’s a huge difference between walking in one’s own apartment and throwing raging parties and stuff like that.
My roommate stomps around like he’s a 600lb land whale. He’s like 140lb. I’m a bigger dude and sometimes people don’t even hear me coming. Be considerate and walk like a normal person
I always wondered how shit like this worked. My mom’s uostairs neighbors are of normal size, but they stomp around like they each weigh 600 lbs. I don’t get it.
Sounds get amplified, my neighbor joked I was running a factory etc, it was just me, mostly barefoot, sometimes vacuuming.
Old European apartments with wooden floors that amplify sound like a fine tuned violin disagree :-)
To OP : talk to your neighbours. We had one old lady who wore her (lady shoes with a little heel) shoes inside and made a racket, she wouldn’t have known if we hadn’t asked. Now the nice lady wears slippers :-)
Asking is of course fine.
It really isn’t that hard to be considerate. Just make an effort to not stomp around. Walk on the balls of your feet. It’s actually good for you.
It really isn’t that hard to be tolerant of someone wanting to move about their own home.
It really isn’t hard to be considerate of your neighbors. Sure, you have the right to stomp around your house. There is a lot of asshole behavior that is within your rights.
Reminds me of this lmao
This is the exact thing I’m dealing with. I’m hopeful the HOA will help put an end to it. We’ve had mediation with them and they think it’s totally normal to stomp around at 2:30 am.
Down the road from me is “Top Floor Gymnastics and Dance Center”.
I’m pretty sure the building they operate out of has commercial space on the ground floor and one or two floors of apartments under the gymnastic center.
Obviously their Roomba wears wooden shoes.
