Every time someone posts a complaint question like this it turns out that the things they’re posting and getting banned, blocked it deleted for is something that should be banned, blocked it deleted.
Lol little homie won’t give examples of what he posts. Wonder why…
Also, people are being incredibly rude for no reason. “Little homie”? And why are you assuming my gender? Weird internet stuff.
Was the assumption false?
Lol!
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Can you not imagine a scenario where there are innocuous comments getting deleted? Do you really have that much faith in AI that you trust it would always make the correct decision in removing comments? Do I have to try to find other instances online of people being unable to post completely harmless comments that get deleted for seemingly no reason?
I explained the reason why I’m not specifying the exact content, though I actually did give examples which people ignored and demanded to know more. Evidently, it would further distract from the actual question and stop people from answering it, and also it’s varied what gets deleted and doesn’t even follow a consistent formula.
This is really disheartening, tbh.
You don’t get to define what others find innocuous, bud.
So you’re incapable of imagining a hypothetical where even you agree that what I’m trying to say is completely innocuous?
Or do you actually think that there’s no situation when an innocuous comment gets deleted (even though there are countless examples online of people in the same situation as me)?
Honestly worrying if people have this much faith in auto-moderation systems.
Tell us your innocuous comment and we’ll tell you if we agree. Otherwise don’t reply.
Hey, this is not me passing judgement, but trying to be informative since you are getting a lot of hate and seem confused by it:
Your question and commenting style are 100% match for “concern troll”, and there are no signs proving otherwise, like concrete examples of your issue or honest answers to followup questions.
Requests for examples are dismissed. You have commented at least 6 times that “I have given numerous examples” but all I can find is one comment where you say you wrote something like “that’s kinda messed up” which is both vague and contains zero context on what that comment responded to. No more examples.
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I don’t know what concern troll is. But I’ve been accused of being a troll before which sucks. I’m not a troll.
I’ve given other examples already like how I can’t mention brand names in any context and can’t say anything about certain governments, corporations or industries regardless of the content. Like literally anything about them, including positive or neutral.
I also struggle to think of examples because it happens so often and I’m not recording them and they’re just random things I wouldn’t remember.
Beyond that I shouldn’t have to say what gets deleted and I actually can’t think of examples because I’ve already forgotten about them. It’s usually completely random things.
Also, the question is about alternate text characters. Some people were kind enough to understand this does happen to some people for no discernable reason, and either were empathetic but couldn’t help, while others actually gave some nice tips. Most people took this post as an opportunity to grill me about what the content was and assume the worst about me in a number of ways and insult me.
It’s really whatever. This is a known problem if you look into it online and there’s even someone else in this comments section who said they experienced the same issues.
Maybe it will become more well known and people will understand that these systems do not always work properly and often delete some people’s comments in some cases for no apparent reason, with mixed results. Assuming that they always work properly is just an illogical stance in my opinion. Technology is fallible, and especially AI and auto-moderation.
This honestly reminds me of something. Before butt-dialing became well known, when it happened sometimes people would literally refuse to believe that the phone had dialled accidentally in their pocket. They thought that such an issue could never occur. Well, it did. And this is a real problem I’m talking about, and I am honestly innocent. I could easily be the same person as you, and if you were in this situation, I would be empathetic to it and I wouldn’t demand to know what you were commenting (especially when it’s literally lots of random things in various scenarios). If someone told me that they were having a technical issue like this, I would believe them. We need to believe each other more, I think. All this accusation of falsehood. I understand trolls exist, but we’ve all lost our minds if we assume everyone is a troll all the time. Tbh.
A concern troll would not use this opportunity to clarify, but instead respond to my comment evasively, deflect, play victim, and with a barrage of politely worded smokescreen.
Are you saying that’s what I’m doing? I honestly can’t tell. If you think that no matter what I say, I’m assumed to be a troll anyway, then I guess I can’t win. I did my best to clarify. My situation makes sense to me. I mean, I don’t understand what’s happening to me with the YouTube comments and why, or what the criteria is. But if I saw someone saying what I’m saying I think I would believe them. Saying you don’t know whether you believe me or not is one thing, and that kind of hurts. It’s more hurtful that people are 100% not believing me and assuming the worst of me. Do you actually think I’m a troll? Even now? Man this is crazy.
I don’t think the commenter is implying anything. They deliberately worded it very factually. You either fullfill that category or you don’t. They took care not to include that judgement.
A few words of my own: Mind that YouTube does this deliberately. They don’t want you to know the exact rules. If you don’t know the exact limit, you won’t be able to ‘circumvent’ it and rephrase your comment to stay slightly below. That is by design. That’s also why there probably isn’t an answer to your question in the first place.
Google anticipated what you’re trying to do and this is their answer. We can take informed guesses. But they’re frequently changing things around and adapting anyways, so there’s only so much you can do. And they’re known to do it with other of their products, too. Nobody knows how the Google search, or YouTube algorithm works, so they stay in control when it comes to search engine optimization and what get’s recommended on YT.
It’s an old technique. With blurry borders, you gain the upper hand. People have to pull themselves together not to overstep (which is in your interest) and you can’t really be held accountable either, which is another plus. It’s a dick-move. Und unfair. But it works.
What sensible words are you saying exactly that are requiring alternate spellings to avoid detection?
It’s not even just words. It’s phrases that don’t contain any bad language at all. If you don’t know you don’t know. They’re silencing free speech. And like I said, completely sensible things that there’s no reason to delete, while toxic comments and foul language remain undeleted.
The fact that you wont give examples speaks volumes.
There are lots of different things that are deleted if you look at other people’s experiences with the same thing online. Reasonable criticism of governments or corporations and industries, referencing scientific studies, etc. It does not say anything the fact that I’m asking for a solution to this issue and I’m not interested in starting a debate here over the exact content that’s being removed. It does not breach any rules, it’s unproblematic, and should be allowed. If you don’t have a solution, then thanks but I’m not here to discuss why you don’t think we should be allowed to say certain things.
How can anyone help if you won’t provide specific examples of what is being filtered? Can you provide some example comments that were filtered?
Why would you need to know what was being removed in order to suggest a character format that doesn’t get deleted? That doesn’t make sense to me. The actual content is irrelevant.
No one’s been able to answer this very basic question. Just downvoting with no explanation even though your logic is flawed.
What about knowing the specific content would enable you to suggest a text character that doesn’t get removed?
If you could suggest a text character that doesn’t get removed, then knowing the specific content, which is varied anyway, would not change your ability to suggest that text character since you would be able to suggest it anyway.
If you don’t know you don’t know.
Can you provide examples so that I can know?
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I’m not alt right. I’m left wing. What isn’t how free speech works? I didn’t even say what the content was that was being removed. You’re making a lot of assumptions.
That isn’t how free speech works.
All it means is that the government can’t stop you from saying what you want. It doesn’t mean that you can say whatever you want with no repercussions.
YouTube is not the government. It has terms and conditions that you agree to when you sign up. They have a right to delete your comments. You do not have the right to post whatever you want.
Sorry, but that’s the truth of it. If you circumvent the built in filters, then users can still downvote / report you and creators can still delete your messages.
Yeah, that’s fine. If they want to delete comments that are actually problematic, I don’t have a problem with that. But the system is actually broken. Nothing I’m saying is problematic. I’ll give you an example. What you just said now could easily be deleted. What I’m saying right now could easily be deleted. Anything I say could be deleted for no apparent reason when there’s nothing wrong with it at all. That’s what people aren’t understanding.
Are you new to the internet?
No reason for downvoting. Muh muh hivemind.
What an imbecilic outburst. You little shaking leaf, haha. A bubble probably scares you.
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Well look at that. It turns are there ARE stupid questions after all!
Wanting to bypass a broken YouTube detection filter with variant characters is a stupid question?
Yes. For a number of reasons that have been explained to you repeatedly in this thread.
Go away now.
No one is understanding a very basic point, seemingly.
You don’t need to know the content that’s being removed, which is varied, in order to be able to suggest a text character that doesn’t get removed.
People in this thread, mainly one person in particular, is trying to argue that they would need to know what the content is in order to suggest a text character. That literally makes no sense.
If you know a text character that might work, then that would be helpful, and you don’t need to know what the content is in order to provide that.
Please tell me you understand this.
It’s not that they need to know that to provide a potential answer, it’s that they want to know that before they decide to help you bypass a filter.
A user here repeatedly tried to argue that they physically could not provide an answer without knowing the content. I think they realised their logic didn’t make sense after I explained it clearly, because they stopped replying.
I’m still here. I just realized that you’re never going to tell us what you said. Have a good day (or night). Perhaps for the future consider if being hostile and evasive is the best disposition when asking for help. I know this will likely trigger an argumentative reply, but consider that the harder tone you take, the more of an issue your behavior becomes and the opening issue becomes less the topic of discussion. Winning the skirmish to lose the war, as it were.
Look I appreciate if you were trying to help. But what you were saying honestly didn’t make sense.
I really don’t think I was being hostile. I tried to explain my position clearly, that for multiple reasons I’m unable to state exact comments that have been removed, though I gave you general examples. You seemed to ignore this multiple times and at that point I didn’t know how else to explain it.
And you tried to argue that you weren’t able to provide a character format without knowing the exact content, inaccurately comparing it to someone not telling you what problem they were having with their car, even though I have explained the problem and there’s nothing preventing anyone from helping with it in this case.
All it requires is the knowledge and willingness to suggest a text character that doesn’t get removed.
This is really hard to understand for me, if someone else asked for help with this, I would just help if I could. I wouldn’t try to determine what the person is commenting.
So are you still saying you can’t physically help with what I’m asking? Or do you just not want to help unless I tell you the content, because you can’t trust that what I’m commenting is completely innocuous and getting deleted for no reason? Do we not trust each other at our word anymore in this society?
This place reeks of a lack of empathy, seriously. I explained my situation and it does make sense. But people (not you specifically) are being really rude.
You don’t need to post comments on youtube. You’re asking for people to do you a favor. They’re asking for more information before they do the favor. If you don’t want to fulfill the requirements, fine, but quit trying to act self-righteous because you’re willing to spend far more time trying to claim you don’t need to answer the question than it would take to answer the question, and going to that much effort to obfuscate rather than elucidate, suggests that whatever it is you are hiding would be seen as bad.
I literally answered to the best of my ability. I’m so sick of repeating myself by now to so many different people. Please read my other comments for more information. If I say completely basic, normal, random things like “Toshiba TVs suck” or “I love it when people dance like their legs are crazy straws” or whatever random stuff it gets deleted. Completely random things with no apparent logic to it. See other comments for more info. I don’t know how else I can explain it. It just happens on random comments.
Everyone here understand the point. It’s just that this point is dumb.
Tricks like that worked in the early 2000s. Nowadays, these tricks are much more likely to get you banned rather than the other way round.
All of these automod bots have features that can decypher stuff like that.
I understand alright.
I also understand nobody wants to read your comments. On YouTube. It’s like a toilet shooting your shit back in your face because it’s too filthy.
So no, I don’t NEED to know what the content of the messages is. But I WANT to know, because until this post I honestly could not imagine ANYTHING being too crappy for YouTube to leave up.
And no, I’m not going to help you no matter what. Your comments have more red flags than the Korean workers party annual conference.
Your comment assumes that something would have to be crappy for YouTube delete it. You leave no room for the possibility that the comment deletion system is broken and can often delete completely harmless comments for no reason, I guess for some people more than others for no discernable reason. I’m considering the possibility of it being location-based as well. Maybe I should use a VPN, or not use a VPN. Or I don’t know. But you are just so confident and sure of things and making a lot of assumptions which are false.
Don’t let this comment go un-downvoted! Don’t think, just downvote quiiick!
Don’t let this comment go un-downvoted! Don’t think, just downvote quiiick!
Can’t downvote or be downvoted. Blahaj account.
But you are just so confident
I’m confident that you are evasive when pressed. What other evidence do I need?
How is trying to explain that it happens on random comments and doing my best to produce examples of “average” “random” comments being evasive? “This channel has helped me feel sane lately.” “Frogs are crazy how they move”. If you don’t believe me, whatever. It’s literally just random stuff. If I change some words, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. I don’t know why that would be but it only happens on certain, random comments. Sometimes it’s if I mention a brand or company or institution of some kind, without any criticism or anything, a mainstream company, other times just completely random stuff that’s not even referencing anything in particular. Shadow deletion I guess, but I have no idea why.
No one is understanding a very basic point, seemingly.
Maybe that point isn’t being well explained.
Or maybe people disagree with your basic premise.
I have three questions.
1: Why would you want to post comments there?
2: If your comments are being deleted, why would you want to post comments there?
3: Seriously, why would you want to post comments there?
I have almost given up commenting at all. But I use YouTube and watch videos, read comments, and often want to say something. We should be able to. Hopefully someone knows the answer. I already saw a recommendation from someone on Reddit to use certain alternate characters but they didn’t specify what and they still aren’t working for me so I’m looking for a specific text format that remains undeleted.
You are looking for suggestions on how to say things while bypassing filters, but not telling us what things are are trying to say. Does that seem logical?
It seems completely logical to me. I’m looking for a solution to the issue. Trying to ascertain the exact content being removed is irrelevant to solving the issue.
My car is having a problem. I need a solution.
What problem is it having?
That is irrelevant.
Or like
“Does anyone know how to silently pick deadbolts?”
“Uh, why do you need to do that? Is it your house?”
“Look, I just need to know how to do it.”
Well that example actually makes sense. It demonstrates that you don’t necessarily need to know the specifics in order to help, you just want to know because you’re apprehensive. What the commenter you were replying to was saying was a completely disingenuous comparison.
So let’s take that example (and of course wanting to be able to comment completely normal things without them being deleted is not as extreme as trying to pick a lock, but close enough).
What if the person wasn’t able to share exactly why they needed to pick a lock, but they gave you some information pointing to what it was, and asked you to trust that their intentions were pure and they weren’t doing anything wrong?
Would you still refuse to help them?
Obviously this is a hypothetical, and I gave given multiple examples already of the types of harmless comments that get deleted, but people still refuse to even consider the possibility of helping me.
Inb4 downvotes, because that’s how this is going, downvote me for no reason without explaining why, or for reasons that make no sense.
I’d be pretty suspicious why they wouldn’t tell me the reason, actually, and an internet stranger asking me to trust that their intentions are pure isn’t very persuasive. You don’t seem like someone who would be outright abusive, though, and you have a fairly innocuous history on Lemmy from what I can see. I think one problem is that we don’t really know the answer to the question. Most people here would just not comment or stop going to YouTube rather than try to come up with some sneaky way to m4k3 comm!ent5 th4.t ev4d3 f.i.l t3r5.
Actually, I used to subscribe to r/lockpicking, and there were VERY strict rules about posting questions about a lock that was closed.
I thought it was neat that I was able to pick my desk drawer at work with a paperclip, but my pic immediately got deleted because even though it was my desk, it “wasn’t my lock to pick”.
So, the reality of your hypothetical situation is no, people should not and will not help you cheat the system, because we have no idea who you are or what you want to accomplish.
I can’t believe you would ask them about their car like that, truly way over the line and you must be a terrible person, just because it’s absolutely essential information gives you no right to go prying in their business like this, etc etc etc
(as much as I hate “/s”… /s.)
I said what the problem is. Comments are getting deleted. And I’m specifically asking if anyone knows a character format that doesn’t get removed. You don’t need to know what content is being removed in order to suggest a character format. I don’t know why you’re not understanding this.
I don’t think the rest of us have had this problem to the extent that we know a special character format.
Good point. I guess it was worth a try. Someone might know. There were people on some Reddit posts who knew (but didn’t specify an exact format that worked, and the ones I tried I was still having the same problems with). I guess I could try asking on the YouTube community (if there is one), but judging by the toxic replies and hostility in this thread, that could be a shitshow.
This is a false equivalency. I’ll try to spell it out clearly.
I’m looking for a character format (a type of alternative text characters) that doesn’t get removed.
It’s not necessary to know what content is being removed in order to suggest a character format that doesn’t get removed.
So I don’t know why you’re so focused on trying to determine what the content is when it actually is irrelevant to the question I’m asking.
I’m pretty sure people are focused on what the content is because they have reservations about helping someone bypass filters to post stuff that may be offensive enough to be deleted in the first place.
Nothing I’m saying is offensive, and trust me, a lot of completely unoffensive and harmless comments are blocked, while very offensive content is allowed. It often makes no sense either, and I think the bots are literally broken. A quick Google search about this issue shows some people wanting to post admittedly offensive things, but other people who were trying to make completely innocuous comments and still having them get removed. And it’s really varied and inconsistent what gets deleted. I’m in the latter camp.
Well thank you for understanding what no one else seems to get, at least. I thought I was going insane.
You don’t physically need to know what the content is, in order to suggest a text character that doesn’t get removed.
People might have a reason why they don’t want to provide a text character that doesn’t get removed.
But since I’ve stated that the content is unproblematic in any way, there should be no problem with providing one.
Hopefully someone is willing and able to help.
Not many possibilities, are there? People substitute letters with number or punctuation that look like the letters, use various homophones, or split up words with punctuation. Maybe you could try translating your comments to Greek or Romanian.
These are creative solutions. I really appreciate you trying to answer when no one else would. But I’m probably not going to change each letter or word individually for everything I say (or translate to another language, which means most people can’t understand it) when I don’t even know what things are going to be removed for seemingly no reason. What I do currently is similar, if I notice that my comment has been removed, I usually try to rephrase it, split it up, and post it in different ways through trial and error.
Sometimes I’ve noticed if my comment is simply longer than a few sentences (or a small invisible character limit, seemingly), it gets deleted. So truncating what I’m saying can work.
But all of this is very difficult to do and never works consistently. I still get random comments deleted all the time.
The desire for a text character format that doesn’t get removed by default is this: I would be able to type normally without having to worry about deletion. I would not say anything bad, because I don’t already. It would just mean that this faulty comment deletion would no longer prevent me from using the comments section.
I honestly don’t get it.
I watch a ton of youtbe but I am there for the videos and that is it. I understand that you want something different but if you need to jump through this sort of bullshit to keep commenting, i just do not see what the attraction is.
I have never met anyone that wanted to comment in a place that “censored” them that wasn’t a troll or another form of shit stirring asshole.
I’m neither of those things and I’m not doing anything wrong. It speaks volumes that no one is able to focus on the actual question and instead chooses to obsess over what content is being removed.
Can you just imagine a hypothetical, which I assert is actually the case, where I’m trying to say something that you yourself would likely agree is completely reasonable; and yet it’s being deleted. Say that happens so frequently to the point that you have 2 options, to either stop commenting even though you want to be able to, or seek alternative characters that don’t get deleted.
In that situation, seeking alternative characters that don’t get removed is a reasonable solution.
If you don’t have an answer to the question, that’s fine. But I’m not interested in your assumptions about what you imagine I’m trying to comment. It’s all in your head.
The world would be a better place if you stopped commenting everywhere I think.
Well gee, thanks. I mean you literally know nothing about me except that I’m experiencing a weird technical issue on YouTube where a lot of comments I make get deleted when they’re completely harmless. I would never say something as mean as what you just said for example. I don’t assume bad things about other people. And I don’t say anything problematic. I have solid ethics and I don’t even say anything controversial on YouTube. I’m only saying this to defend myself against accusations and negative assumptions. No one believes me. What if no one believes you? I would believe you. One day, you might be in a similar situation. If I’m there, I’ll believe you. Sorry it’s been a long day.
You’re not experiencing a technical issue, you’ve been deemed not worth listening to by whoever has that power. It sucks, but that’s the price of being an asshole - and I say this as a fellow asshole.
It’s okay to simply watch a video and not comment on it
It’s okay to be not be able to talk and have your lips stitched up at all times… just kidding. But that’s what it feels like. If I have something I want to say, I should be able to say it (presuming it’s not problematic in any way, which it’s not). People here are honestly really hard to understand, assuming that I must be saying something bad when I’m literally not. All the assumptions people make. Imagine if you were in that situation, you see a video, you want to say something innocuous, bam, deleted. Try again, say something different, bam. Censored for no reason. It’s dystopian, and it makes it worse that other people can say things but some people can’t. I can say certain random things but not others, with no rhyme or reason to it.
You know you don’t have to use these big tech platforms right?
Stop bowing down to their madness and just be OK with not having YouTube. It’s not like water you know. You don’t need them to survive.
The only problem - everyone uses it. And it’s a good source of info for all sorts of things (disassembly tutorials, DIY, etc.).
There is more misinformation than information on Youtube
Look at the DIY and disassembly tutorials, I can vouch that most (if not all) of them are great and don’t misinform on anything.
Some of the ideas may be stupid though, I can agree with that 😂.
Exactly, everyone uses it. Otherwise I would 100% be using Oddysee or something like that. The problem is all the main content is on YouTube so I want to be able to comment on YouTube.
I don’t comment on YT to be honest… or very rarely… it has to be something that if found REALLY REALLY interesting or informative to comment.
I think you believe that this is a big problem that a large portion of the population here experience, but it’s really not. I have no idea what you’re talking about. Going by some of the replies, lots of other folks don’t either.
We cannot help you if we don’t know what you’re talking about, and we won’t better understand what you’re talking about unless you give us more information. That’s it, really.
Maybe it’s the creators that delete your comments as well. Doesn’t have to be only YT.
As I addressed in other comments, it’s not creators. It’s YouTube. Creators have confirmed to me they’re not deleting comments. And by YouTube, I mean some kind of automated system because it’s insta-removal for various random things I say. Like literally harmless things. What you just said could be deleted if you were me, for example. I don’t know why. People won’t believe me and that sucks. I wish someone would believe me. Well, a few people did.
I think you’re running into a bunch of detection that has very little to do with technology.
It’s absolutely technology. It’s not the creators, they’ve confirmed to me that they’re not doing it. It’s an instant deletion thing, and it’s just random comments that mention different products or things, or often not even that, just basic sentences. I never know when it’s going to do it or not. For example any of the comments in this thread could easily be deleted for me. It’s completely nonsensical, a broken system. How do you have so much faith in technology? Also, maybe it has other influence like YouTube or governments or vested interests, who knows. I’m not going to go conspiracy mode because I don’t think like that. There could be some kind of criteria to it that I don’t understand, but it’s acting through auto-moderation bots on YouTube. I don’t know why. I don’t have the answers, that’s why I’m asking for help.
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I would permaban that on sight no matter what it said.
Thank you.
So what did you post that might’ve been a red flag?
I’ve noticed Youtube nuking my comments if they contain words related to money, if they contain too many brands, if they contain technical term, etc.
Comments that don’t have much in terms of meaning or information go through just fine.
So… Just, write like you’re 5 years old and split long messages into several comments.
The obvious answer is your Youtube/gmail/phone number are shadowbanned and you need a new account/phone number.
Lemmy users are such karens
No it’s not the creators. It’s YouTube itself. Can absolutely confirm this. Probably at least mostly automated bots removing comments.
As far as I know, none of my (very few) comments have been deleted yet, so I’m curious how that works and how you know who was responsible. Do they notify you when it happens and explain who made the decision?
It happens instantly and I often know the creators personally, and they confirm that they’re not deleting them. It’s bots 100%. It also bypasses when I write things in different ways, with no real “rhyme or reason” to it.
That does rule out the creators, yeah.
When you say it happens instantly, do you mean that you instantly get a “Post deleted” notification of some sort, or just that you hit “Reply” and the post never shows up?
I ask because there’s a blog I comment on sometimes that occasionally pretends like it’s posting my comment, but then the comment doesn’t appear. My first assumption was that I was encountering some kind of moderation filter, but it turns out I wasn’t. That blog just has poorly designed error handling. If I take too long to write my comment, the session expires. That’s fine and normal, but the problem is that the blog software doesn’t bother to warn me before posting, and it doesn’t explain itself after the post fails, so it creates confusion. Once I realized what was going on though, I realized I could just hit “Back” to recover and copy the comment I wrote, reload the page to get a fresh session, paste the comment, and hit “Reply.” Works totally fine that way.
Maybe YouTube is doing something similar and dropping attempted comments due to expired tokens or shoddy networking? It would explain why it seems so random and nonsensical.
If it really is bad auto-mod systems, there probably isn’t much you can do about it besides complain to YouTube. Any workaround that would be easy for you to use would be equally easy for the spammers and trolls to use, and is therefor not likely to remain a usable workaround for long.
