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    The issue isn’t so much the message color. It’s the ability to send videos that aren’t potato quality and other media.

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          They’re doing the GSMA standard and nothing else. I think they refuse to play ball with any standard Google controls either directly or indirectly.

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              It’s just smart business. Why give up any level of control of anything to a direct competitor when you don’t have to?

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                Especially Google, and especially the crappy implementation of RCS.

                I see posts every day of people having issues. Messages not sent, not received, etc.

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        They’re not doing encryption, because Google is using their own.

        RCS is too little, too late. It sucks. I refuse to ever use it.

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      oh, can’t android users receive high-quality videos and photos? after 16 years of smartphones, you’d think they’d have that figured out…

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        Yeah the whole reason Apple won’t allow it is because they expect you to conclude exactly this.

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        It’s not the android side that’s failing, it’s Apples refusal to implement anything other than SMS for cross ecosystem compatibility.

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          It’s also why third party messaging apps like Whatsapp are thriving, much to the consternation of every person on the network. I used to be able to pick up the phone and call or message anyone. Now I need to check compatibility first. Wtf apple.

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          Even worse, I can send high quality images and video from android to iPhone if they’re both on Verizon. When the iPhone sends it back, it’s trashed.

          That said, SMS/MMS suck. SMS has a known, published loss of messages at about 12%. What the hell?

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        iOS can’t send hi quality videos or images over SMS. It’s a choice made by Apple.

        I can send large videos (more than 50mb, for sure) over SMS from my Android phone on Verizon to a Verizon iPhone. They receive it in same quality. When they send it back, the iPhone butchers it.

        Verizon, unlike other carriers, doesn’t seem to have an MMS size limit.

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        You need to think of iMessage as Google messages, Whatsapp, telegram, signal, etc. Except this is only installed on iPhones and they want everyone to know it. It’s arrogant and stupid. The app could just be released for Android and it would be no different than the others I mentioned.

        It’s gatekeeping.

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        Android to Android, sure.

        But Apple and Google refuse to play nicely with each other, so Android to Iphone or Iphone to Android both suck.

        It’s not a lack of capability, it’s the refusal to implement it to try and force users to pick a side.

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          But Apple and Google refuse to play nicely with each other, so Android to Iphone or Iphone to Android both suck.

          Yeah this is a gross mischaracterization of the situation.

          1. Google is more than happy to “play nicely” with Apple. They’re the ones who convinced Apple to adopt RCS. Apple is the one holding out.

          2. They totally do “play nicely” on literally every messenger app in existence except iMessage, which is the only SMS app you’re allowed to use on iOS. This is not any sort of hardware or software limitation, this is purely greed from Apple to control their users and create a walled garden, to the detriment of their own customers.

          This entire shitty situation is 100% on Apple and their users.

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            To be fair, Google’s messaging plans and implementations have been all over the place for a decade. Apple still should have been more proactive. They promised iMessage would come to Android until they realized how much of a moat it became for their business.

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              Apple has no obligation to use any of Google’s or Google’s preferred communication standards. They can open up the iMessage protocol or they can use literally any other open standards (like Signal’s).

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            I don’t really care which of them is responsible for it not working decently, that’s why I didn’t point the finger at one in particular.

            Point is, it’s between these two companies to agree on a solution that works for both of them and actually implement it. Yet after all this time, they still haven’t to the detriment of consumers globally.

            I’ll believe the IOS RCS implementation when it’s actually released. Promises from corporations are worthless.

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              that’s why I didn’t point the finger at one in particular.

              No you pointed the finger at both of them, which is why I corrected you.

              Point is, it’s between these two companies to agree on a solution that works for both of them and actually implement it.

              Point is you can’t have an agreement when the other party won’t even entertain a conversation, nor do they want to come to an agreement.

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            If you’re talking about RCS, androids newer native messaging system, no apple has not implemented that yet.

            There has always been dozens of messaging apps users can use, including Google Chat, but they are all seprate apps that both you and the recipient have to choose to install and use. That’s the main problem.

            The goal is to have the native messaging apps on both platforms be able to speak to each other with the same quality right out of the box, just as they can within the same platform right now (apple to apple, and android to android).

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        you can when it’s android to android. as soon as an iphone is in play, the iphone immediately decreases the quality, even though the MMS standard allows for attachments up to 100MB in size

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        Android uses RCS now, a higher quality and more feature rich standard than SMS. However… Apple hasn’t added it to iOS, so it doesn’t work to send to iPhones and they receive bog-standard SMS from Android devices.

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        iOS can’t send hi quality videos or images over SMS. It’s a choice made by Apple.

        I can send large videos (more than 50mb, for sure) over SMS from my Android phone on Verizon to a Verizon iPhone. They receive it in same quality. When they send it back, the iPhone butchers it.

        Verizon, unlike other carriers, doesn’t seem to have an MMS size limit.