Confirmed by AP news here (go directly to slide 4 in the slideshow for more information)
For those who don’t want to click the link:
I think you guys are being a bit over the top here about his:
Germans made three political concessions: It was stipulated that the division shall not be used to fight Western Allies, and would be used exclusively to “fight Bolsheviks”. The other concession was in that its oath of allegiance to Hitler was conditional on the fight against Bolshevism.
Good thing there’s no link between anti communism and fascism
Yes he took the oath of allegiance to the head nazi, but how do we know he was actually a nazi and not just a brave freedom fighter?
In the 50s and 60s, the easiest way to gain entry into Canada for immigration was to show a Nazi tattoo. This proved one was ideologically anti-communist and thus safe.
had me in the first half
Things the ‘good guys’ do:
Bring out and parade around a Nazi for applause while brazenly lying about his actual identity and the nature of his service
Bolshevism didn’t exist during WWII, therefore the Ukrainian SS division wasn’t actually loyal to Hitler
i posted about this Nazi and then had a debate with my close friend. He’s like, an anarchist or something, but he has the most lib take on Ukraine.
I pointed out all the nazis and nazi monuments, he says “what about Americas confederate statues?” I said both could be bad and that moving the goalposts and whatboutism.
Then he said he supports the right to self determination for Ukraine. So i said what about Donbass aka LPR and DPR. He said that’s a Russian psyop, and it doesnt matter that eastern Ukraine is mostly ethnic Russians. He said he’d support Barcelona leaving Spain if they did it “democratically.” Like fucking lol. #vote
Of course, he’s an “anti-authoritarian” who basically hates all “dictators” like Stalin, and he doesn’t like China at all either. He also wants the wealthy to get redacted. This is why I can’t take anyone seriously when they just spout off against all “authority.” I think it mostly stems from him hating his mother and still acting like a petulant teenager. Authority isn’t going anywhere, it will always be around in one form or another. And anybody who can’t even critically support current and former AES just sounds like a stupid leftist who will truly get nothing done. You can’t just skip every step and end up at anarchy, that’s an 16 year olds view of anarchism.
I sent this to my libertarian-turned-lib friend and he immediately said, “Oh he must have been Ukranian Resistance after the war.” But they said he fought in WWII. “Oh well it was late in the war and he didn’t get convicted of any war crimes.” Libs refuse to believe that any Ukrainian can do wrong throughout history now. Canada is apologizing profusely today because they “didn’t know the guy was a Nazi.”
“Russia bad” syndrome is pretty fucking insane, its crazy to see people still clinging to cold war rhetoric, especially being born after the cold war. My “anarchist” friend seems to think NATO is a good thing, like it’s not imperialist or unjust in any way. He’s ok with what happened in Libya. That on top of never find an actually existing Socialist state to support just shows me that libs like him don’t support a real path to revolution. I think my friend is just a stupid idealist, who thinks we can revolution and skip all the other steps and get right to anarchism or pure communism. But that isn’t going to happen unless the revolution is worldwide(which is probably won’t be)
When someone claims to be an anarchist but they support NATO its just… ok you SAY you’re against all states but somehow you’re for a military alliance of multiple… states? Thats not anarchism anymore.
Like I may disagree heavily with anarchists who include AES states in their “I"m against all states” stuff but if they are actually consistent about hating states and hate the imperialist powers too then like, at least thats consistent. But so often its not that way. Being “anti-authoritarian” just ends up being an excuse to follow the US state department line to a T.
this stupid nerd was in model UN so i think he still hasnt shaken those brainworms.
it’s impossible to be revolutionary and anti authoritarian. like ok, so we won’t oppress class traitors etc during or after the revolution, because it’s anti authoritarian? how the fuck couldnt anyone plan to win like that? even just taking all of their money and property would be authoritarianism.
There’s actually large Ukrainian exile groups living in Canada, including some linked to OUN-B (Organization Ukrainian Nationalists - Bandera faction)
https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/the-canadian-bandera-network
Here’s a Ukrainian-Canadian high school student holding a picture of the genocidal Yaroslav Stetsko
Here’s a bunch of Ukrainian-Canadian children in front of a giant bust of the genocidal Roman Shukhevych
Some info about Stetsko/Shukhevych (source: https://archive.md/GZa2H):
Just goes to show you that the war against fascism is global. There is no “fleeing” to places like Canada to get away from this shit. You must arm yourself and get ready to kill fascists within your life time.
Parading around the OUN flag… That really disturbs me. No liberal has learned anything from the holocaust except “history repeats itself”, pretending it’s a law of physics.
No liberal has learned anything from the holocaust except “history repeats itself”, pretending it’s a law of physics.
They sure seem to want it to repeat itself as many times as needed
Our Deputy Prime Minister Christian Freeland was more than happy to pose behind the banner last year
She was also probably the first person to trot out the “mentioning Ukrainian nazis is Russian propaganda!” line when asked why her grandfather worked for a nazi propaganda rag.
The color of the shirts on the first photo, eh, does check out.
Legit, if I found out my child’s school in a “progressive country” made students march around honoring nazis, I would tell my kid to become a bully
I would bully the shit out of the faculty
fidel needs to come back and beat some sense into his son
hello son
Holy shit "people that fought in the nazi army were nazos is Russian propaganda.
Anybody else notice how this “Russian propoganda” has had a way stronger connection to reality than the libs explanation of everything for the last couple years.
Completely on brand and absolutely no one in the MSM sphere will question who was fighting against the Russians in WW2
Right this way 
when are we going to hear about brave resistance to the Russians liberating Auschwitz
I did not have that on my bingo card for this year.
I definitely did, it was easy to see the liberals slipping into fascism from the very start
hahahahahahahahanot even one of the contemporary kkklown divisions that litter ukkkraine, but one of the OG nazis. not surprised tbh
You may be right, but Ukraine is still a defending country facing many war crimes by the attacker. Which also hasn’t provoked that attack in any way.
Other than bombing civilians for a decade and sending neonazi terrorists to harass and murder them and attempting to join an aggressive military alliance that was created to encircle and destroy their neighbor, sure, they didn’t do anything to provoke it.
It’s one thing to think Ukraine is the “better” side on balance but to claim that they didn’t do anything to provoke an attack just shows that you don’t know anything about what’s been going on in the region.
First time I’ve ever been humiliated to be a Canadian. Thanks Parliament.
Then you don’t know shit about canadian history lmao
There is a difference between shame and humiliation. Felt shame plenty but this is the first time there is embarrassment.
Yea I saw in an article an ss tattoo got you into Canada after the war because it meant you were sufficiently anti communist.
I had an Arab friend told me he hated Ukraine. Not hated the war or anything like, but just hated Ukraine as a whole. I definitely understood his sentiment but didn’t agree with entirely hating it even after all the obvious Nazism. I took the liberal route of bad apples, that the majority of people do not support fascism. But it’s pretty clear that my friend is correct. I hate modern Ukraine in its entirety - no different than the US or Israel or Nazi Germany or confederate south. This is what Ukraine and its western allies support. Russia shouldn’t give them any concessions
it is worth noting that the Ukrainian people elected Zelensky on a platform of peace and bringing azov to heel. Although everyone from the region I’ve personally met has been massively in favour of war with russia
I know a few, and while they’re generally no fan of Putin (who you do not in fact have to hand it to), massively in favour is an overstatement.
Socialists of course are just in despair with Nazis running free and even the anti-Russian left censored and shut down, but even with libs who regard it as an unambiguous war of self-defence it’s not pure jingoism.
I think people are greatly underestimating the cost of this war, it’s like the home front of WW1 there right now, a generation wiped out, then replaced by the next set of 18 year olds, that also get wiped out. Except Ukraine is careful to keep casualties as invisible as possible. Rationing and complete shutdown of much of the economy. Meanwhile Russia can soak up the deaths with less impact on their society.
Zelensky ran on a peace platform so he got more votes in Donetsk, Lugansk and the other regions in the East, as you go further West you get less and less people voting for him until you reach Lviv and overseas voters where they voted for PoroshenKKKo
yeah but if you look at that map there is still a majority of people voting for the peace platform across nearly the entire country
There is probably a selection bias there, like most Cubans in America being reactionaries.
America, no! Sorry, force of habit.
Formed in 1943, it was largely destroyed in the battle of Brody
Completely unsurprising lmfao. The majority of SS volunteer formations absolutely sucked in combat, exceptions being for example “Nordland” but their actions were completely reckless and suicidal, achieving nothing in return. “Galizien” was among the terrible ones, units like these were good in nothing else than “anti partisan activities”, and that often means pure war crimes – hanging suspected partisans, surrendered partisans or general combat with irregular units, where the Germans conducted their war with no rules whatsoever. But when the time to face the actual Red Army came, these units were almost always utterly swept aside by the Soviets. After a good few days of intense beatings, their remnants would pull back and reorganize far from the front, where they resumed “anti partisan activities”. “Galizien” took part in supressing the Slovak National Uprising, which they did by massacring civilians.
Also being volunteer formations make every single soldier absolutely guilty of every terrible action their units did, if some soldiers were forced into service there might be an argument, but there isn’t, because each one of these fucks knew what they were doing. I am glad the Red Army brought ultimate justice to these pieces of shit, althrough this one might have slipped away.
And he slipped away to Canada like a fucking rat. And years later, Canada would give this fuck a standing ovation. Canada. Ask Canadian WW2 vets what they thought of the SS, ask any of their Normandy vets what they would do to any prisoner belonging to the “SS Hitlerjugend” division, this unit has a very particular history with Canadians. The SS commited numerous war crimes against Canadian troops in WW2, and these motherfuckers are now giving them standing ovations? Man fuck the west, fuck every bit of this worthless concept. Fuck all liberals, motherfuckers are an insult even to their own history.
that often means pure war crimes
It 100% meant pure war crimes. It’s not like they had any competence for actual police work or any discipline for actual garrison duty or anything else valuable.
Really not beating the supporting Nazis allegations with this
This is not even about supporting Ukraine anymore. It’s just glorification of Nazis.
It was easily predicted that the west wouldn’t liberalize Ukraine, but that Ukraine would fascitize the west (even further).
Liberalism morphs into fascism when threatened under war conditions. Of course the west would become extra fascist from getting heavily involved with a war on behalf of fascists. It’s so frustrating that we could see this was going to happen but could do nothing to stop it.
Liberalism morphs into fascism when threatened under war conditions
that’s not remotely how it works
fascism is an ideology that tends to crop up in societies where hiring gangs of thugs to brutalise people is an accepted and common part of the economy and political system and there is a threat of communism to react to
societies where hiring gangs of thugs to brutalise people is an accepted and common part of the economy and political system
So cops?
Wrong. Liberalism and fascism are the same exact thing under different parts of the capitalist cycle. They are the same people fighting for the same interests.
If fascism requires a credible communist threat, why is it so widespread in Ukraine where there is no serious socialist center of power or movement? Fascism does require anti-communism, but it doesn’t require actual communists to oppose, just the Spectre of one in their imagination. It will find a suitable scapegoat and label it cultural marxist (as seen by the labeling of the Russian’s as “the new USSR” and conspiracies about Putin being controlled by the “commie Jews” or the “chicoms”)
Fascism does arise in crumbling capitalist states in periods of crisis, that much is true which is why I said it’s Liberalism under bad conditions.
AP news wrote a lot of words when they could’ve just said Stalin shouldn’t have stopped at Berlin.
Edit: Also, I’m overflowing with tankie energy right now.
