I’m not very informed on modern China and there’s a ton of sources accusing China of killing and even harvesting organs from Uyghurs and Falun Gong believers.
Is there any truth to those claims or is it all 
?
You can dig into the details, but you don’t need to. The holocaust has tons of physical evidence. It takes a lot of stuff to commit a genocide. For this genocide there isn’t even a photo. Also, the politician most invested in the genocide accusations was Joe Biden. His only response was to cancel a diplomatic delegation going to the olympics in China. The delegation wasn’t even real. These aren’t the actions of someone who actually thought there was a genocide happening.
proceeds to arm and provide military support for a genocide by the zionists
China does not harvest organs from Falun Gong weirdos. I have been counselling Chairman Xi to change his mind on this to no avail.
Read the UN report on Xinjiang. It’s the closest thing you’re ever going to get to an “unbaised” report. When Wahhabi paramilitaries began trying to expand in to Xinjiang and convert local Muslims to Wahhabi beliefs, with the violence and disruption Wahhabi beliefs entail, China responded with a bunch of different counter-terrorism programs. Some were overtly military, some were intelligence based, some were aimed at making Xinjiang more resilient in the face of subversion attempts. The programs that got spun in the west at genocide involved surveillance, some restrictions on movement, arbitrary arrest and detention of some Uighur Muslims for as much as 3-4 months, and related activities. These are certainly violations of human rights as conceived by the west, but are not genocide by any definition and frankly aren’t much different from the day to day behavior of western security forces. Interviews in the un report describe being held in prison facilities for several months while undergoing questioning, some cultural and religious education programs intended to instill Uighur cultural identity and Chinese national identity, while also showing how Wahhabism contradicts many islamic principles and brings violence and instability. Also apparently a lot of being forced to sing patriotic songs, which, really?
Was it nice? No, arbitrarily arresting people is not nice. However it needs to be positioned within the context of the global war on terror and the enormous amount of bloodshed the west and it’s allies unleashed “fighting terrorism”. At any rate, it seems to have worked - wahhabi violence in Xinjiang has dropped off and afaik the Chinese counter-terror program was wrapped up several years ago, and was already wrapping up when the UN investigation was being conducted.
Seriously, read the UN report. It’s very much critical of china and it’s critique of what china was really doing shows how absurd and bad faith the accusations of genocide were.
You’re missing one step in that: when those counter-terrorism programs were first rolled out the western media railed against them as being too soft compared to the preferred western strategy of random air strikes and entrapping alienated kids with fake terror plots. It was only years later, when the programs were being wound down as no longer necessary, that the western media started pushing the “genocide” conspiracy theory.
when those counter-terrorism programs were first rolled out the western media railed against them as being too soft compared to the preferred western strategy
Reminds me of the critique of China’s COVID policy.
First it was the stupid lazy peasants and their wet markets, the incompetent bureaucrats who couldn’t enforce a quarantine, and the primitive medical technology of backwards China that caused a rapid spread of the disease.
Then, China got their epidemic under control while it ran rampant in the US. The media narrative shifted to claim that Chinese quarantine controls were outright fascist, that police were brutalizing people in the name of quarantine, and that actually this whole thing was a high tech invention of the evil geniuses at the Wuhan Lab who had engineered a virus specifically targeted to Western DNA.
Whatever China does is wrong. The policies don’t matter. The results don’t matter. The relative comparison to US policies don’t matter. It’s bad and it’s wrong and the Chinese government shouldn’t be allowed to continue existing for the sack of their own people.
Don’t forget the narrative that china was lying about their numbers the whole time because there’s no way a bunch of ASIANS could do better than WHITE AMERICANS.
I always like to ask people if Taiwan, which had similar measures and infection/fatality rates as mainland China, is also lying about their numbers.
I’m pretty convinced its all bullshit, but:
Especially now more than ever: In my interactions with people on this subject I usually try to avoid framing it in the question of whether or not its true because IMO it doesn’t ultimately matter.
Even if you accept the Uyghur genocide itself as entirely true for the sake of discussion: the past few weeks should really clarify how much any and all moral outrage around it has been entirely cynical bullshit.
-If you stand with Israel in this situation then full stop you don’t actually give a shit about the lives of Muslims and you only scream about the Uyghurs because you want a cudgel to use against China.
-If you stand with Palestine in this situation then you have what should be a clear and self evident obligation to address the genocide your own government is actively funding and facilitating before you get involved in whatever the hell a foreign government is involved in. We have absolutely no moral leg to stand on regarding the Uyghurs until then.
(not a historian)
in pretty much every case, sources for the “uyghur genocide” trace back to
Adrian Zenz, a guy who can’t read chinese who deliberately makes shit up to support his “holy crusade against china”the thing that actually happened is that China had to fight CIA-funded terrorism in Xinjiang; they did so with prison sentences and re-education instead of ultraviolence - it worked, so they stopped doing it (much to the dismay of china watchers)
Falun Gong is banned because they are a death cult
Another whole angle of this I was thinking about the other day - you actually CANNOT just genocide a group of people without them responding in some way. People can tell when the atmosphere of the state they’re living in is turning towards genocide against them (and a culture preparing for a genocide to the point of ordinary citizens accepting it generates a HUGE amount of propaganda, which there is obviously no evidence of in China). Before WW2 there were millions of Jewish refugees, and during it there were Jewish militias and partizans fighting back. Colonized countries rose up again and again to throw out the colonists who were exploiting and killing them. And now Israel is showing exactly what happens in the modern day if you try to annihilate an entire population: absolutely intractable guerilla warfare. Israel would love to just send in the army and gun down all 2 million people in Gaza, but they CAN’T because their army would be torn to shreds.
So to suggest the people of Xinjiang - which shares hundreds of miles of desert-mountain borders with Afghanistan and Pakistan - would just meekly accept a million people (literally 1/20th of the population!) disappearing without fighting back using the enormous amount of weaponry and guerilla warfare expertise within a trivial distance of them, or even just trying to escape with their lives, is outright infantilizing. WW2 shows they would fight back, the history of decolonial movements shows they would fight back, Gaza shows they would fight back, and the total lack of such a violent conflict in Xinjiang shows that whatever is happening there is not a genocide.
Pretty much, the organ harvesting claim in particular originally was based in the falun gong belief that(Disclaimer: This is not a bit) their spiritual practices literally made their internal organs superior in quality and impervious to disease or physical ailments(This leads into their belief that modern medicine is unnecessary and a satanic communist tool) and therefore the Communist Party harvests those organs to make their party elite live longer.
This was later transplanted basically wholesale into the idea of “halal organs”, the claim that there are muslim elites who refuse to receive organs from anyone who has not adhered to halal requirements in their lifestyle, and therefore the Communist Party are systematically harvesting organs from the Uighur muslim population to sell on the black market, presumably to the muslim nations that stand with China.
There has as far as I have read never been any evidence to support either claim that isnt either a claim of personal experience or a “whistleblower” statement that also is exclusively a personal claim of experience, unless China also is running a whole black market supply system of immunosuppressants and other post-transplant support medical care, you would see very obvious signs such as consumption of those medical supplies being obviously higher than recorded transplants.
The only signs like that that has been pointed to is that China has a notably short waiting list for organ transplants from what I have heard, but thats basically where the supporting evidence begins and ends, no further investigation has borne fruit.
specifically they believe that communism is a satanic plot by ghosts to make people believe in climate change and therefore gay
specifically they believe that communism is a satanic plot by ghosts
When you don’t understand what a metaphor is and you read “a specter is haunting Europe”.
yes that was the exact reasoning
how they got to it’s to make you an envirnonmentalist which will make you gay I still don’t understand
“Atheism and evolution are deadly ideas. Modern trends destroy what makes us human.” - quote from a Shen Yun performance. I’m half tempted to go to one just to snap a pic of the giant Karl Marx head tsunami wave.
Wait that makes communism sound cool and metal as fuck.
Part of me kinda wish we lived in the fantasy world these people say they believe in, where instead of reading theory and attending party meetings, communists are actually mighty wizard-shamans who gain esoteric mystical powers through constantly doing gay orgiastic rituals, and then use it to summon spirits of the ancestral dead in order to perform crazy magical feats like making entire nation-spanning train networks appear out of mid-air or transmuting arid deserts into dense forests.
mantra of my life: I want to live in the world chuds think we live in
Falun Gong is the Chinese equivalent of Scientology. Shen Yun, the dance show, and the Epoch Times are both arms of the church.
It’s absolutely in their interests to make up anything smearing a government that doesn’t tolerate their shit.
Imagining a world where the West had the balls to ban Scientology and other cults
If you were to list the top ten cults in the United States by harm done, Scientology wouldn’t make the top ten. It would mostly be Protestant churches who will do another Waco if forced which honestly isn’t something anyone should want.
Scientology is bad, but they have one thing going for it that most cults don’t. Sexual abuse is not common, like obviously it happens but probably to a lesser extent than the Church. Scientology is much more focused on exploiting the labor of its practitioners and covering up the occasional death caused by lack of medical care than getting horny. Like legitimately the reason why Scientology still exists is that it is not a sex cult.
