• LetterboxPancake@sh.itjust.works
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    The Swiss also don’t celebrate weapons as much as the US Americans.

    I struggle to find the correct word. Celebrate isn’t it, but I’m too tired to think about a better one and I don’t want to start a comment war here. You’ll probably understand what I meant.

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        Also do Switzerland have carry laws? If everyone left their firearms at home it would be much less of an issue too.

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          Swiss can open carry in hunting areas with a license and allowed to store their own firearms and some duty fireams in their homes. They care more about to control the sales and storage of ammunition moreso than the actual rifles and handguns themselves.

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            In many states in the USA you can carry your weapon (both open and concealed) to the grocery store. It makes everyone uncomfortable and is super weird. Also most people don’t carry their guns properly and it would take someone about two seconds to steal it.

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          Yes:

          “If you wish to carry a weapon in a public place, you must obtain a permit do so from the cantonal authorities. The permit is valid throughout Switzerland and you must have it on you at all times.”

          “Your application to carry a weapon will only be granted if you can prove that you must carry a weapon, for example if you are a private security officer, in order to protect yourself, other people or objects from tangible danger. You must also pass an exam on how to use weapons and the legal requirements for doing so.”

          Cantons are about the size of a county in the United States, so imagine getting a concealed permit for a particular county. They don’t carry over, so you’re not going to be able to travel very far with it.

          Not that Swiss people really travel that far either…

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            In Florida it’s a form that doesn’t do a background check and doesn’t even check that your main residence is in Florida. Then you can use that license in other states.

            John Oliver did an episode on how absurd it is.

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              There are quite a few states that do not allow CCW permits from other states. New York, California, Oregon, Washington and many others.

              The states that honor all U.S.-issued concealed carry permits are:

              Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas Idaho Indiana Kansas Kentucky Michigan (resident permits only) Mississippi Missouri Montana North Carolina Ohio Oklahoma Sout Dakota Tennessee Utah Vermont Virginia

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        Could this compulsory military service also alert authorities to people that aren’t suitable to own private firearms?

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      You also need a permit to buy a gun. Shall-issue for most of the guns I’d categorize as more reasonable, but still need to put in for the permit. Automatics have quite stringent requirements on their may-issue permits. High-cap magazines are not available. Universal registration & background check and “red flag”-style blocks on any purchases.

      Ammo is also included in these rules, essentially.

      Second-hand sales require a paper trail conforming to many of these rules with a decade-long statute of limitations to prove legitimate transfer that is also reported to the state authority.

      Storage methods are regulated. Failure to report a lost/stolen weapon to police is bad news for you.

      You need a permit to carry which is mostly only given to people who have occupational need to carry – like the old NYC law where you have to state a plausible need. Otherwise, when and where you can carry is limited to basically sport or similar events.

      And there’s more. Not to mention their culture of training and safety around it because of their military and militia requirements.

      I’m all for imposing Swiss-style gun rules on the US. It would restrict guns a lot. The people who appeal to how great they are with guns and how it is “proof” that gun restrictions aren’t a good solution just haven’t even done basic research about what the gun situation actually is in Switzerland.

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      I think a large part of it is the politicization of firearms that has made gun ownership a lifestyle choice for unstable people.

      You’ve got a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists being told that the liberals are out to kill their god and take their weapons, so they stock up on weapons that they use when they finally crack.

      We’ve manufactured a system where the mentally unstable are actively encouraged to arm themselves.

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      I use the word ‘clutch’ often, as a baby with a blanket or an old nerd with vi. They’re unwilling to find a better solution than a gun, and the gun lobby tells us it’s all okay as long as we have our Glock.

      …come to think of it, so much rap music seemed to do the same, for awhile.

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        Sorry it took me so long to answer, I accidentally started vi and had to reboot my computer to quit it.

        Not a bad word at all, this might be the correct one.