The poll found 50% of Democrats approve of how Biden has navigated the conflict while 46% disapprove — and the two groups diverge substantially in their views of U.S. support for Israel. Biden’s support on the issue among Democrats is down slightly from August, as an AP-NORC poll conducted then found that 57% of Democrats approved of his handling of the conflict and 40% disapproved.
It’s especially hurting him with the demographic he’s always struggled with:
And being forced to pick between this and trump will depress turnout, and depressed turnout is how Republicans become presidents.
And I know Biden’s supporters will say “he’s still better than trump” and that’s true. But it doesn’t change the fact that this is a fucked up situation where voters do t have a say in this issue because the only two options for president both support this genocide.
no. running shit candidates is how they lose. no one is entitled to someones vote or support.
dnc wants to win? then look at what your base wants. their approach has always been “you take what we give you” and that resulted in donald fucking trump.
If a moderate dem wins, they win.
If a Republican wins, moderates get to be even more moderate and claim they have to, knowing whoever they run next time will probably win just because they’re not a Republican.
The only way moderates lose, is if a progressive manages to win. Because then they lose the main reason lots of people vote Dem: anything is better than a Republican.
That’s why they fight progressives harder than Republicans. Republicans aren’t their enemy, they’re the rationale that lets moderates in 2023 act like Republicans in 1980 and still win elections
We could have had Bernie, and sure, he’d be 83 in 2024 (Biden will be 81), but at least he had the idea to use Israel funding as leverage to get Netanyahu to calm the fuck down.
Instead, we get Biden, who does seem to have a good economic policy, but he was all too eager to jump to a known war-crime-committer’s defense.
I think the most “conservative” thing that has happened in the last couple of elections is the DNC’s pick to lead the party.
Ah America. Where we have the great options of genocidal maniac or other genocidal maniac. You see, we’re better, because we have the freedom to choose!
Ah America, you offer the same choice as France and the UK.
Amd we can’t vote for anyone else, or the wrong lizard might win!
Biden does not support genocide. Biden has definitely been blind to the fact that Israel is an apartheid state that has been intentionally inflicting collective punishment on the Palestinians since Oct 7th.
The Republicans under Trump will green light a complete genocide of the Palestinians. If you want the Palestinians to have a chance then vote Biden. The Democratic party can be reasoned with. The Republican party is controlled by fascists who will establish death camps in American prisons at home and actively support death camps abroad.
I want to see Hamas destroyed, but it’s become clear to me that Israel’s government is committing war crimes. And yes, so has Hamas, they’re a terrorist organization. Israel is supposed to be a freedom loving democracy, that comes with standards.
Since Israel has proven to be unable to conduct this war properly, preserving the lives of civilians is the only important objective now. We need to make it clear to the Democratic party that we want a ceasefire for the sake of Palestinians and Israelis. Given enough pressure Biden can be persuaded to change his mind. The same cannot be said of Trump or the Republican party.
Bro this ain’t a Mad Max movie, no NGO is going to stop a war without questions of Wagner hitting the news headlines
What? I haven’t seen these movies. Only clips Colbert uses. :|
It could easily take another ten months for the IDF to clear out Hamas from the tunnels under Gaza City. That is with taking into account a disregard for the safety of the hostages, which I’m sure the IDF is doing. If the death count continues at the current rate of ten thousand people a month, another one hundred thousand people will be dead. And if you take it from other people, this war could take years.
We should pressure the US government to demand a ceasefire no matter how unlikely Benjamin Netanyahu or Hamas is to listen. Too many lives are at stake to let this war to continue the way it is currently being waged.
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I hate to break it to you but she’s a republican already.
Except for one key fact: only one of the options is pushing for things like total abortion bans, LGBTQ criminalization, government funded religious indoctrination, etc. Don’t buy into Horseshoe Theory.
They’re only similar in that they both suck, are politically right, and are funded by corporate interests. But that’s where the similarities end. All garbage stinks, but it doesn’t all stink the same.
Or, as I’ve seen before, both speeding and murder are crimes, but certainly one of them is worse than the other.
Yeah but see total abortion bans and queer criminalization don’t affect the lives of the brocialists that are the consistent source of the anti-recognizing-FPTP-is-a-thing narrative, so really have you considered that this mysterious base of the party that consistently underperforms turnout even for their own fucking candidates should have been pandered to more by everyone who isn’t them doing the revolution for them?
And that’s what baffles me. They often know all this history, are generally well-read, have these great reasons why Candidate A and B both suck, but because they can’t seem to countenance one of them being a single step towards the goal rather than being the goal itself, it’s somehow not worth talking that step at all.
honestly I’m just happy someone appears engaged enough to even do any research at all. and you’re not wrong, we have 2 right wing parties in the US. the rich old white republicans, and the rich old white democrats with an African themed robe on.
I wish you weren’t getting down votes. This situation is pushing more people into that space. Or just suppressing enthusiasm which will turn into fewer votes.
I get that this instance/Lemmy doesn’t like that, and I get the sense this instance is entitled to votes from any non-white, non-male, but… Reality is more complicated and everyone gets agency. That’s part of the foundations of treating people with respect, I thought.
They’re getting downvoted for the last sentence. After all the infighting, the insurrection, trying to remove people’s rights, defending criminals, etc if both parties look anywhere close to the same to you then you are not actually paying attention.
Why would they worry about the lives of us poors when they can be smug about “both sides”?
Down votes persuasive value is often 0. Sometimes even negative.
A thoughtful response goes much further.
Lemmy aspires to be more wholesome version of other social media. It often fails.
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Okay, it’s been a few hours and I think the thread will be quieter now.
Read or don’t. I know you owe me nothing.
My thinking, and I think the down votes bear this out, is there is a very large gap between experiences and perspectives.
If a person is comfortable and believes either the institutions will prevail, bad dem behavior can’t go unpunished, or fascism may benefit them - or not harm… all of these allow for a more easy path to considering not voting for a Democrat (or at all). It need not even be consciously thought.
Meanwhile I’ve seen some Lemmings lose their mind about things they are entitled to. Like YouTube without ads, FOSS (where their version of the F is literally free), apps for lemmy, and politics. There is a vein of entitlement to free things and to others’ votes.
It’s not everyone, it’s not close to everyone. But it is disproportionate to my life outside of this space.
And instead of discussing the urgency of the situation, the role of empathy in seeing that fascism is bigger than just whether it directly harms you or not… Its a dosing of down votes for not aligning.
For me, this is putting me off sympathy for those struggling - even if I am one. It just looks entitled and not like a cry for help. Even if that’s what it is underneath it all.
Raw, near panicked desperation that the country and the world will all fall to pieces and the elders and privileged won’t even give fuckall. They got theirs, you get yours.
It’s complicated. Or maybe I just think this wrong. But I’ve never seen so many people lose their minds so easily as I see it here. This place breeds anxiety and anger.
I’m evaluating the wisdom of using lemmy, personally.
Here’s how I see it - we’re all fucked, as a species, and yet no seems to feel any urgency. There’s no compromising with reality, but the Democrats do nothing but compromise between the rosy picture the populace generally believes in, and the imaginary world Republicans paint
Many Republicans are quite literally fascists. They’ll tear down the system to extend their time in power. They’ll pick one enemy after another, and impose their way of living on us.
Biden is progressive for a neo-liberal. That means he’ll occasionally do something good, but mostly just keep the status quo.
We need to be making large, sweeping changes. IDGAF about YouTube - I care about what it means. YouTube blocking ads is no different than my grocery bill going up by 30%, or search results sucking so bad knowledge becomes unfindable.
It’s late stage capitalism - we’re being pushed into the age of techno-fuedalism. Instead of physical ownership, we’re being locked into virtual fiefs where companies tax us and control the information we’re exposed to.
That’s the issue here - free access to information is a big fucking deal. If YouTube shut down, I’d be sad… But it’s not nearly as big a deal as YouTube demonstrating disdain for both users and law.
IDK… This is all very interrelated in complex ways. This probably comes off as a rant, but these things are intimately interconnected. Basically, these are all symptoms of the same existential threat to our species.
I can’t explain it all briefly - you have to think systematically, and that’s more of a college course than an essay, let alone a comment. But if nothing else, remember how systems die, from computers to a human body… They sputter, and then collapse all at once. These are sputters. The global just-in-time supply chain snapping will be the collapse… Whether it comes from a natural disaster or because too many workers become desperate enough to fight, this is a civilization level problem
“So anyway, I block YouTube ads” lol
…Do you think that’s a contradiction or something?
That you don’t is quite telling lol
They don’t want to hear it and don’t want that narrative to gain traction.
The response with Horseshoe theory in it is a good one and a better response than mine, or down votes.
What do you think this has to do with the horseshoe theory?
I was referring to this this comment.
The thread was much less crowded then.