Well obviously this is the reason Rafael Cruz has come out against Wikipedia recently. He just wants tighter articles and more conciseness in describing the dishonesty of his God-King. Over-verbosity is the devils work, after all.
Makes sense to have article guidelines, but I’d argue it’s more of a list, documenting for history. I don’t think most people would read it like a book, beginning to end, no matter the length. So it should be all-encompassing, not split up.
I don’t think comfort was ever a consideration.
Okay, I can give a bit of insight into why this isn’t just a shitpost on behalf of Wikipedia’s editors. For various important reasons, we have guidelines on article size, and while it’s not hard-and-fast, 10,000 words is generally the point where most editors will start wanting to trim material from the article or branch it off into more specific subarticles. An article with more than 15,000 words should “almost certainly be divided or trimmed”. For context, the article on “World War II” has 13,000 words, and that’s because there are literally tens of thousands of other articles about that war containing offloaded details within details within details.
The article “False or misleading statements by Donald Trump” currently has 21,000 words. It’s utterly giga-fucked compared to any other article I’ve ever seen on the English Wikipedia. And when e.g. the “COVID-19 pandemic” section already has the listed “further information” articles of: “COVID-19 pandemic in the United States”, “COVID-19 misinformation by the United States § Trump administration”, and “Communication of the Trump administration during the COVID-19 pandemic”, what are you even supposed to do? It’s fucking impossible.
what are you even supposed to do?
Easy. Break it up into separate articles.
False or misleading statements by Donald Trump on January 1, 2025
False or misleading statements by Donald Trump on January 2, 2025
False or misleading statements by Donald Trump On January 3, 2025
…
Nah, by category could be funnier. “Statements contradicted by science”, “Statements contradicted by basic economics”, “Statements later directly contradicted by Trump”
The only problem with this approach is duplication. Many statements would appear in multiple lists
Then how about a single chronological article of every bogus statement he ever made. Then have other articles that cluster them topically and provide context?
This it a great suggestion.
One “Trump fact” could be referenced in multiple articles.
Or you make it like the list of “Just among the world” (if that is the english title for the Yad Versham honoring)
That’s just a long table with a short description of the acts of the person for deserving the honour, the person itself or even the event might have their own article
I’m just saying, we can make this so much more funny than a single banner at the top of a single article. We can make multiple, legitimately-needed Wikipedia articles about Donald Trump’s horseshit, I want to see some wikipedia editor try and say “no not like that!”
Don’t forget “Statements earlier directly contradicted by Trump.”
You also need, Statements contradicted by objective reality.
This is usually what they do for long list-type articles. For examples, see such fascinating articles such as:
I know you didn’t ask, but I will tell you that when I saw this post I didn’t interpret it as a criticism of Wikipedia, but of the article subject. I read “Wikipedia at it again” as a positive endorsement about telling the truth.
Thats what I thought it was. Was it not intended as such?
I agree with that, and I think that one comment below has it wrong. My comment wasn’t a defense as much as it was a neutral clarification for readers at home™. I try to offer additional context when Wikipedia stuff gets brought up on Lemmy, because 1) selfishly, I think demystifying it makes it more likely that new people try editing, and 2) with Wikipedia being a major anchor of the modern information ecosystem, it’s healthier for said ecosystem if people better understand what goes into it.
When he inevitably dies of an aneurysm I hope you like have a script ready to change “is” into “was” because otherwise it’s going to take forever.
Wikipedia’s VisualEditor has a find-and-replace feature. But blindly using find-and-replace causes problems when you have sentences like this:
Donald Trump, who is the current president of the United States, draws a presidential salary of $400,000.
…which turns into this nonsensical sentence:
Donald Trump, who was the current present of the United States, draws a presidential salary of $400,000.
Yeah you’re gonna need a verb tense find-and-replacer
Another major problem I see in fixing this: who the fuck wants to spend all that time sorting through literal fucking nonsense?
This article may be too long to read and navigate comfortably
Yeah it’s definitely too long. But whose fault is that?
Donald Trump announces 140% tariff on Wikipedia starting next Monday
Trump lies as often as he poops.
Given how incredibly full of shit he is, I assumed he’s severely constipated, and he spends hours each day squatting over the constitution, trying to take an orange dump on it.
well actually he has chronic incontinence, aka his diapers. due to years of cocaine and adderall abuse. he also shits everytime he becomes angry and sometimes hes unaware of it.
At least some of the lower level judges fight him off it sometimes until the Supreme Court gets around to vetoing them.
Too many Americans support the corrupt Supreme Court. Authoritarians are not scary as long as the people are not complacent.
Unhappy with corporate democrats and fascists republicans, do something about them. Or else the bite will hurt more over time. The global boycotts and criticisms will strengthen, doesn’t matter if Vance gets in and tries to pretend to be a good crook cop, the damage is done.
It’s going to take the USA decades to recover from the damage trump has inflicted in just the last 10 months, and it won’t start to heal until he’s either in jail or dead.
and the next DEM is only going to get blamed, thats why many people on reddit said it would be better to wait it out, and let the Rs take the blame, or until the voters wake up whos been doing the damage.
That’s assuming we ever recover at all. That’s a really big if.
Unless the Republican Party is considered toxic to the mainstream it won’t get better. Will definitely get worse especially since the mainstream thinks its the Dems who are the problem.
Fools they are. How is it not obvious the GOP is causing permanent dehydration? America is an embarrassment and is rapidly losing its status as the world leader and it is all because of Donald Trump and his blatant evil!
the GOP/PUTIN have to become more extreme, to become the mainstream, which is MAGA now.
Their base is just… Too stupid to see through the bullshit. They’ll eat anything shovel-fed to them by their trusted news. It even forces churches to the right, when they should lean left. These people trust Jessie waters and Greg guttfeld more than their own spiritual leaders unless they say the same thing.
i cringed when onetime a “guest” yotber channel Qouted tucker and shapiro once, as if his out of context qoute was the right thing in what they were discussing.
Precisely. Our future relies on the dumbest people imaginable being able to see through a grift
I wouldn’t spend money on their economy until they have improved substantially from before Trump’s second term. Joe Biden was too easy on him, he’s no Lula that’s for sure.
I legitimately was surprised that Biden didn’t pardon the Jan 6 traitors himself to “let the nation heal” .
If Democrats don’t start fighting back against the Republicans instead of trying to take the high road then we are all fucked.
What does the Supreme Court even have to gain. They already have their damn seats and their damn fruit, apples, grapes, even some lemons. Tasty hydrating fruit, wash it down with a new hydrating Volvic Revive, the wild mineral water that hydrates you until you poop sideways!
they want thier constant stream income from harlan, crow, putin to continue indefnitely. Also republicans often are concerned about legacy more, maintaining the status quo for the next generation of republicans.
I bet his ass is jealous of all the shit that comes out of his mouth.
This idiom is so good that I want to give you Lemmy Gold and a new hydrating volvic revive!
That’s a damn good one
Constantly?
He can’t contain himself. That’s incontinence for ya
Link for the lazy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump
Yesterday wat
![Wiki: On predicting 9/11 to Pete Hegseth: History will never forget that it was the SEALs who stormed the compound at [sic] Osama bin Laden and put a bullet in his head. Remember that. And please remember I wrote about Osama bin Laden exactly one year ago, one year before he blew up the World Trade Center. And I said, ‘You got to watch Osama bin Laden.’ I said one year before to Pete Hegseth. I said one year before. Where’s Pete? In the book I wrote—whatever the hell the title, I can’t tell you. But I can tell you there’s a page in there devoted to the fact that I saw somebody named Osama bin Laden, and I didn’t like it, and you got to take care of him. They[who?] didn’t do it. A year later, he blew up the World Trade Center. - Trump at Naval Station Norfolk Pier 14, Norfolk, Virginia, October 5, 2025](https://lemmy.myserv.one/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Flemmings.world%2Fpictrs%2Fimage%2F9b9581fd-3a4d-4d16-b97b-05822fe2b9c9.png)
He literally celebrated the destruction of them Twin Towers because it meant Trump Tower was now the biggest substitute penis in New York.
Are you saying he’s a New Jersey Muslim? Off to camp
It really freaks me out how if you read a transcript of one of Donald Trump’s speeches it literally doesn’t make any sense at all. This is a consistent pattern through and through all of his extended stream of consciousness dialogue. And yet somehow we just let him coast on by.
its called the WEAVE, its 9 incomprehensible things woven into a string of thought, only his conservative can percieve.
But “weave”
They [who?]
This is amazing technology
I honestly love Wikipedia… Can you imagine just how much worse everything would be if it never existed? Things are bad enough as it is, but holy shit…
Bro, what
You need to escape the square brackets otherwise Lemmy converts the entire thing into a link (that goes nowhere) which is just displaying as a single long string with no line breaks making it rather hard to read.
Thanks hmm which app or browser?
Safari iOS:
Voyager:
This is how I discovered Safari iOS does not make the alt-text discoverable on this server!
This is on Android. I have no idea what the screenshots are because your instance is geolocked.
This article may be TOO LONG to READ and NAVIGATE COMFORTABLY
🤣
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.
in case you’re wondering… no. it’s not the longest article on the english wikipedia… but it’s getting close.
What’s the longest
Currently, it’s Japanese conjugation, followed closely by 2025 in women’s road cycling and then a bunch of lists. The third longest non-list article is 2024 United States House of Representatives elections in California
Waow, did you know that chapter 324 of the UFCW endorsed Lou Correa in the California 46 constituency of the US House of Representatives?
Everyone knows that.
REALLY?! That’s life-altering information!
(technically all information is, though some by infinitesimal amounts)
WAAAAAHHH-HH WIKIPEDIA IS LIBERAL BIAS WAHHHHHHHH
You’ll find that reality has a strong liberal bias. But not to worry, there will be a most presidential executive order later this week to abolish it.
Sheesh, stop putting all the responsibility onto Wikipedia and host it externally, there’s no shortage of hosts they can link to as a reference from there. F- ing hell, trying to lay shit onto one of the most open and needed sites on the Internet like if you were Elon Musk… they are already getting enough pressure from the US administration & associates.
I think hosting it externally is a bit of a liability though, because those pages could be removed, then wikipedia looks bad for pointing at fake external articles and get blamed for it.
Wikipedia usually links archived versions at the Internet Archive instead.
This could be replaced by three words: ‘All of them.’
Is it meant to be read, though? I’d just search for keywords in the article to find whichever lie I was interested in confirming.
Also, is 21,000 words really that many? The story I’m just about finished writing for fun is at 140K words. I’m starting my fourth read-through for editing. It’s not that big of a deal. I guess people don’t read anymore?
Also, is 21,000 words really that many? The story I’m just about finished writing for fun is at 140K words. I’m starting my fourth read-through for editing. It’s not that big of a deal. I guess people don’t read anymore?
Allow me to poke some fun at this.
Also, is a 1,000 calorie cupcake really that many? The wedding cake I just finished baking is at 25,000 calories. This is the fourth one I’ve made. It’s not that big of a deal. I guess people don’t eat anymore?
I guess people don’t read anymore?
You hopefully saw that I linked the article size guidelines above alongside the 21,000 words figure. That page is only 1700 words, so feel free to give it a read and see if it soothes your curiosity for why we have them (definitely feel free to ask if any claims made seem dubious or terminology is unclear).
Keep in mind that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and that this singular “article” represents nearly 50 pages of prose in 12-point, single-spaced print – the size of a novella. Wikipedia articles are meant to be encyclopedic treatments of their subjects, not dissertations on them.
Edit: just checked, and the “Download as PDF” of this article is 153 pages long.
