It’s kind of ironic to me that Linux is all for free and open source, but still uses a proprietary platform, and a horrible one at that. Before the fediverse, I’d understand, but now, there is no excuse whatsoever.
I understand that we can’t just get up and leave everything proprietary behind all at once, since we have iPhones and Android phones. We all use proprietary software of some form, but I am of the mindset of using the least amount of proprietary possible.
I will ALWAYS look for FOSS first. I also want to make it as hard as possible for any corporation to track me. They’ll probably still be able to track me, but I’m not going without a fight.
I could say the same about the Linux kernel using GitHub, but I understand how massive of an undertaking it would be to move the whole kernel to another platform. I’m sure there are other factors, too. Anyway, I just wanted to start a discussion and hear people’s thoughts.
Thank you
Honestly man, of all the communities we have here on lemmy, linux community getting bigger is not what we need. We need all the rest, stuff like tf2, csgo, gaming specific stuff, all the other niche communities.
Granted, we’re gonna end up with /r/sinkpissers. Lol
All seriousness, there’s a lot of neat communities I wish would find their way here. Heck, I wish there was a way to just export the history over so old archived data wasn’t lost forever.
we’re gonna end up with /r/sinkpissers. Lol
In all seriousness, you really don’t want a mass exodus from Reddit to Lemmy instances. It’s better that it’s slowly so growth is managed but even more important, user quality is maintained!
When the Digg exodus happened, Reddit literally overnight went from a considered discussion board to full of ascii art, 1 line shit witty or pun comments, lyric threads and the signal to noise ratio went to shit.
On top of that there were constant stability issues that were compounded by all the thickos constantly hammering F5.
100% with you on that one.
I really enjoy the discussions here, even if it’s a little slower paced sometimes. (And I find that to be a feature!)
I’ve come to feel that technology is for anyone , but not necessarily for everyone , at least, not all at once.
It seems like a series of Eternal Septembers are usually coaxed along by corporate interests to spur mass-adoption for
fun andprofit, and the existing communities that get flooded tend to suffer for it, because there’s no time to support or acclimate the newbies to the community, and they bring their existing assumptions with them.
Because this here is for support. That there is for evangelism.
It would definitely be nicer to see the Linux community grow here.
But hey. I’m on Linux and I’m here with y’all. :)
Tell me what distro you are using and I tell you if you have to go back to reddit or not.
Well they’re clearly not using Arch. Btw.
because Sadly Reddit is bigger then Lemmy and hopefully Lemmy will grow more.
I think it’s a uniquely good topic to have in both places. I first learned about Linux on reddit in Chrome on a Windows machine. It really helped lower my barrier to entry to chat with people on a platform that was accessible to my skill level at that time. But now I’m really glad there are nice foss places to talk about it as well.
As someone who needed to use the jellyfin discord for assistance setting it up, moving from a larger, community readable platform to a platform that is non searchable externally, and more importantly. If someone wants to learn how to linux. Making them learn how to Lemmy ADDITIONALLY is gonna HURT. this is ofc ignoring the reality of the fact that communities can exist in multiple places, and assuming they’d just go read only or smth like that. Jellyfin support was ONLY able to be provided because they’re matrix interconnects with discord, a software i can use! (I’ve since made a element account while watching media on my jellyfin server XD)
You mean Lemmy threads aren’t indexed by search engines ? So if we move everything to lemmy there goes the only way to find good info online which is adding “reddit” to the search bar ?
That is incorrect on my part, I’ve since learned that lemmy IS searchable, but because of much lower density just doesn’t show up hence the initial poster I referred tos confusion. Search link for reference
I am with you 100% on the reddit aspect but have to acknowledge that any person can make their own choices. Eventually, a platform with much longer history will continue being successful, if only due to inertia alone. However, one more big mistake from reddit may be enough for the FOSS subs to migrate to this platform. As for the Linux kernel, are you sure it is hosted on github? Or is it only a backup?
It’s hosted on kernel.org and the one on github is a mirror. Github didnt exist when the kernel was made initially. Or git
Better to live in utopia and have ambassadors to shitholes to liberate others than just live in utopia alone.
Many of them are single-issue Linux users and don’t concern themselves with FOSS philosophy
Maybe it’s the same normal human inconsistency as those of who support public health care and basic income, but ironically still buy stuff from capitalists.
Well tbf maby things i need i con only get by buying from a capitalist
Why should it leave? It’s good to be omnipresent! You have another linux community here and in many other places.
Linux is mailing lists, if anything. It’s definitely not Reddit.
Shitpost your heart out and maybe people will stay when they visit to observe the train wreck that is your life.
The kernel on GitHub is just a mirror - the primary source is on kernel.org
Torvalds wrote git for the Linux kernel, and then GitHub popped up because most other projects couldn’t handle the decentralization. Interestingly to OP’s frustration, they were using a proprietary VCS before that, and people were just as frustrated about that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git#History
Yeah… would have taken OP 10 seconds to check that. Dumb.
- Not everyone that uses Linux is against proprietary software or only uses FOSS.
- There are people that just heard of Linux, are just trying it out, or have an issue, and already use Reddit, or is what the search engine points them to go for help, or to ask questions.
- Reddit has a lot more reach for the common people than any other platform at the moment, there are still people that prefer to ask on Reddit, than go to a specific forum or another platform to ask (If I remember right, it still happens with some apps like Jellyfin that moved out of Reddit, but people still ask there)
These are just a few of the reasons that come to my mind.
As an example I’m on Linux for a decade now but I also use proprietary services. I use Jellyfin and Netflix, Vim and Jetbrains IDEs, Chess.com instead of Lichess, WhatsApp instead of Matrix.
Sometimes the value proposition does it for me, sometimes it’s the network effect. I’ve ditched reddit because I like Lemmy more but I can see how someone wants to stay in touch with their niche communities that don’t really exist on Lemmy. Probably some people use both.
How comes that Vim is proprietary? Jetbrain offers community versions which are afaik open source too, so you can look at the source code, you do not need to pay or agree to an EULA.
It’s not, Vim is GNU. I listed some of them as “I use open source and proprietary” things. Jellyfin is open source also.
Also institutional inertia is difficult to overcome in general.
This is so weird to me. Maybe it’s about who you are, or who you run with, but when I saw that Discord was about to go that way, I messaged my Pathfinder group and every single person there immediately hit me back with, “so where to next?”
That’s what, five people?
It’s a lot different when it’s thousands and thousands
That’s why I said it might have something to do with who you’re around.
