Summary
A GOP-led procedural vote in the House failed after nine Republicans joined Democrats, halting legislative action for the week.
The vote’s collapse blocked Republican efforts to pass the No Rogue Rulings Act, aimed at limiting federal judges’ power, and the SAVE Act, which would require proof of citizenship to vote.
The failed rule also sought to derail a bipartisan resolution allowing proxy voting for new parents, led by Rep. Anna Paulina Luna.
With the rule defeated, Speaker Mike Johnson canceled all remaining votes until Monday evening, stalling key GOP priorities.
probably hoping this a distraction from all the elon-wisconsin trumps shenangigan blows over.
Nah, he’s throwing a temper tantrum because of the nine that didn’t fall in line.
A GOP-led procedural vote in the House failed after nine Republicans joined Democrats
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I’m gonna start keeping track of who from each party is actually resisting
This wasn’t a partisan issue. It was literally just letting new mothers vote.
I’ll call it resisting if the American people have consequences
resolution to allow members who give birth or lawmakers whose spouses give birth to have another member vote for them for 12 weeks.
Well that sounds like a stupid proposition. The “other member” could simply use their second vote to vote however they want in absence of the lawmaker with a newborn. Surely there are better ways to handle this.
Perhaps there could be some a voting form of sorts, which gets mailed to e.g. new mothers. And they have something like a couple of weeks to fill out how they wish to vote, I suppose they could sign it too if need be, then return it in a security envelope of sorts to the voting place.
I know it may sound like madness, but this form of voting-by-letters-in-the-trusted-care-of-USPS may sound a bit futuristic; but I am confident society can pull it off.
Those voter ID laws would have been the death knell for democracy, as they were in the Jim Crow South. Stopping them had incalculable benefits for the American people.
At least until next Monday.
Phew, the world is saved.
It shouldn’t be a partisan issue, but it clearly is.
I don’t like it. No one should vote on behalf of another representative. There are ways to vote absentia.
Republican women in our house of Representatives are demanding maternity remote work for themselves. Twelve weeks. That’s twelve weeks more than Americans get.
So they’ll have time off with their babies. And still get paid. With their free taxpayer funded Healthcare.
Leading the charge was Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, R-Fla. She was in the freedom caucus, who opposed giving special treatment to women. But Luna had a baby last year. So guess what’s suddenly important to her now? She left the freedom caucus.
I fucking LOATHE Republicans. Their brains are broken that they can’t imagine something unless it happens to them. They’re too stupid or selfish, I’m not sure which. Pretty sure it’s stupid.
Congress gets the same health benefits as all federal workers. It isn’t free. https://www.cbo.gov/about/careers/benefits
I’m all for bashing congress, but continuing to throw out untrue “facts” learned from internet comments that were never verified might get more attention, but can make others disregard the rest of your statement.
Definitely stupid. Also selfish, but definitely stupid. I’ve met too many of these god damn people that just cannot fathom seeing the world from the perspective of anyone else.
I agree they are selfish but I’d be cautious assuming they are stupid. That is how we got where we are today. We assumed their stupidity and incompetence would be their undoing but the past 9 years have shown us that assumption was wrong.
It’s not that they are stupid they just don’t care about being a hypocrite.
I guess I should say emotionally stupid. That doesn’t necessarily make them inherently stupid, but they just have a complete utter absence of emotional intelligence and do not care.
12 weeks is so crazy little. i got 8 weeks, as a father, and my wife took 78 weeks (at a reduced weekly pay)
Babies have to learn to be self sufficient as early as 12 weeks so that they can enter the workforce and learn to be oppressed sooner.
They yearn for the mines, not the moms
Agree. They need to work at McDonald’s. /s
Twelve weeks. That’s twelve weeks more than Americans get.
Paid is the important additional criteria in your statement. Fmla keeps your insurance running and guarantees 12 weeks off work unpaid for maternity leave(for people working more than the pittance that is 1250 hours a year) — something many Americans cannot afford.
shes one of those , i want my slice of cake i dint help buy or make, but a larger slice of it.
that being said i am 100% in favor of new parents getting to at least work remotely in the House
They’ll do something when it’s about their own ability to work remotely. Otherwise, they do not give a fuck.
Now accepting bets on when Trump dissolves Congress.
You mean, when Musk dissolves congress?
Wonder when they’ll start floating the idea of martial law.
Their primary objective of Martial Law will be to suspend the mid-term elections, and they don’t want to show that hand too early, and give it time to get through the courts.
So they’ll wait until next summer, when the protests have grown huge, and the enraged citizens are on the warpath. They’ll send in their RedHats to instigate violence, then send in armed authorities to quell the street violence with ferocious armed violence. That will be met with more violence, and the streets of American cities will look like Hong Kong.
Then they will use that as justification for Martial Law, and suspend elections until peace is restored, and since HitlerPig controls the peace that will never happen.
Next summer is going to be wild.
“marshall law”
Is that Eminem if he became a cop instead of a rapper?
That’s a Tekken character.
You’re thinking of Martian law.
And I dub thee Sir Phobos, knight of mars, beater of ass. thump
I’m overdue for a Sealab rewatch
Better than Lily’s law
Or Cole’s Law
Well, the recommendation for martial law is supposed to come out by April 20th.
It will be a nice birthday present
It is also the birthday of president musk’s idol
Also Easter
I’m not sure if this is Johnson acting immature and throwing a tantrum because the GOP couldn’t get their way, or if he’s buying time to make sure they can get the nine Republicans into line before trying again.
Definitely the latter. They don’t want to risk anyone else defecting in the meantime after repeated failures that make them look bad, so they’re looking for some other way to coerce the votes.
Mob style, bribery and physical threats to your family and loved ones.
It’s just a rule they can’t vote on it until Monday. Which was the original schedule until Anna Paulina Luna used the arcane rule to move it up. She probably did that because nobody comes to work on Mondays and she didn’t think they’d have the votes. She worked with a Democrat to create the bill and had a baby just a few months after being elected. She left the Freedom Caucus over it.
The 9 Rs didn’t like being pushed around.
Or, just maybe, some of them (plus her) are the ones that some of the more quietly persuasive Democrats need to be talking to off the floor…
Edit: Either way, I’m happy for anything that messes with the GOP pushing through their hate agenda. Delay, Deny, Defend us against tyranny!
Hold on… I’m having trouble unpacking this. Can you explain the math here? Did I read that this is all the result of internal GOP drama because someone had a baby?
There’s a bit of “strange bedfellows” involved here. Two women, one D and one R, realized they and anyone like them could lose their opportunities to vote on legislation (ie do their job) if childbirth or neonatal complications kept them away from the Capitol Building. So they sponsored this bill.
Democrats like it because it makes the job fairer to women. I presume some of the Republicans feel it fits their pro-birth agenda, and helps against women’s tendency to vote more left than their spouses.
They may also like the part that Johnson hates, which is that it opens a door to further proxy voting. Which he says is bad because legislators need to be in the same building interacting with each other, (which we can all see isn’t doing shit for bipartisanship) but mostly that rule is used for partisan gamesmanship, timing votes according to who will be present. He doesn’t want to have to learn how to work with a change in the rules.
Three bills got linked together as part of his shenanigans, so now all three are stuck until at least Monday.
Bruh
Edit: thanks so much for the explanation, it makes sense now, but wow
that is true to get them to toe the line, but i suspect its a distraction for the wisconsin judge fiasco.
Good. Let’s be honest here… When Republicans stop working America benefits.
Geez I wish I could just stop working when I don’t agree wit my coworkers.
I quit a job after a coworker started yelling and screaming because I was told to go help them. I said I couldn’t work with them anymore.My manager said, “well you can’t pick who you work with.” So I turned in my shit ans left the next day. You actually can pick who you work with.
I mean… You can
You just might not be able to start again.
Communism is democracy in the workplace. Capitalism is authoritarianism in the workplace.
As a non-USian, explain me the controversy of requiring proof of citizenship? Of course I have to show valid, government issued ID to vote. Can anyone just waltz in and vote willy-nilly? This makes no sense to me.
it primarly is a voter suppression tactics, many people dont have a valid passport/expired, and often time minorities poc, lgbtq+ dont have one. you can say, go apply for a passport, its actually less convenient than getting a ID/LICENSE. first you have to “apply online” then make a appointment at specific postal locations and only in person, must call no online appointment scheduling. often times passport appointments are book weeks and months advance.
Basically they are targeting women, and trans people. Newly married women, and trans people would have ID that doesn’t necessarily match either their birth certificate name, or their name recorded by the registrar of voters. Also, and this is the kicker, WE ALREADY HAVE THE LAWS THAT ARE NEEDED. They are fighting a made up issue that they made up.
To add to all of that, ID is getting somewhat prohibitive in costs. Here in CA it costs me $30 to renew my ID, not driver’s license, every 6 or 8 years. That’s not a major issue to me, but I do know people that absolutely could not afford it. It is annoying, since I got my first ID in '96 and that one only cost me $5.
Adjusting for inflation, that same ID should theoretically cost only $10 now.
Not entirely apples to oranges. I got my first ID in Indiana, I dunno what a license costs there at this point, but KY was at $15 back in 2016 when I left there.
I think the bigger issue isn’t even cost. Fuck, most people in CA can deal with $30 if the process was instant. Let’s not pretend that’s what stopping people
The real issue is taking the day off from work to wait your ass in DMV lines when you really rather just stay home in bed if you’re gonna spend a day not grinding down to a mental break
Remember some people are unhoused or literally paycheck to paycheck.
If they are working 2 or 3 jobs and overdrafting weekly, $30 is a problem, plus the lost wages waiting in line at the DMV.
yup getting a passport is harder than a LICENSE, must make an appt for inperson “passport photos” no online service for that.
first time ID users, have to get appointments which takes time.
Also non-american here who lives in America now though. I was also confused about the backlash to voter ID back then (this is a VERY old issue) as in Germany you are required to show your ID when voting.
It has been explained to me that most Americans do not have ANY form of identification other than their drivers license. There is no personal ID you are required to possess like in Germany. The vast majority of Americans does not have, nor will ever have, a passport. Driver’s licenses are cheaper to obtain than in Europe, but you still have to provide a host of documents many poorer people might not be able to provide + you need to pass a driver’s test of course to get it. There are a lot of people who for one reason or another can not do that.
In other words, if you don’t pass a driver’s test in the US, you might as well not exist. There is still the “social security number”, but that one is NOT MEANT to be a form of identification, plus immigrants without citizenship can also obtain them (I should know, I have one). I don’t think a common driver’s license counts for voter ID’s purposes under that proposal, so the way to identifying yourself as a citizen is even more limited. There is a REAL ID program in some states, but not others. You also get that from the DMV, which again is just the motor vehicle office. It’s really fucked up here. All of it. A solution would be to require citizen ID’s like its done in Europe, but the government doesn’t want to pay for that and Americans are usually against something like that (“government overreach wah wah what’s next, chips in my skin???”). So…hm.
if you don’t pass a driver’s test in the US, you might as well not exist
I don’t know how it is in other states, but here in Nebraska, you can get an ID card that’s pretty much the same as a DL for identification purposes. No need to fuss about with a driver’s test. Your ability to go anywhere is pretty much nonexistent, but that’s a completely different discussion.
Yeah my understanding of the ID situation in the US is certainly flawed. It seems labyrinthian to me at times due to all the different state ordenances. Although nothing compared to the US health care system. Jesus Christ. One thing I’ve learned here is that freedom certainly isn’t free.
This is not true. You can get an id card that is not a drivers license.
Government doesn’t issue the ID for free, and needs to send it to a valid address. It’s nothing more than an attempt to stop voters from voting. If they actually cared about preserving democracy, they would make the ID’s free and easily accessible before requiring them to vote.
The more important issue is that it’s not an issue. There are no indications that non-citizens or identity thieves have had any impact on federal elections. Voter fraud is simply not a problem, so new laws to stop voter fraud really only exist to stop voters.
yup and republicans primarly win on less people voting, More people voting even in gerrymandering areas, could adversely affect thier chances.
It’s a fair question so idk why people are downvoting you. But in the US you can’t just walk in and vote (ID or not). Before the election you have to register to vote, and that process verifies that you are a citizen. Then once you go into your polling place to actually cast your vote, they check your name/address to see if you’ve been registered, and if you have, then you are allowed to vote.
So requiring ID to vote introduces a second step to check something that’s already been verified (you can’t register to vote if you aren’t a citizen), and Republicans love it because adding extra hoops to the voting process lowers turnout and historically Republicans do better in low voter turnout elections.
That still doesn’t cover the need to verify that you are who you say you are.
If government issued IDs were free for everyone, this wouldn’t be an issue. The issue isn’t showing an ID to vote, it’s that not everyone has one, and those who don’t are usually lower income.
Actually checking the name and address against the voting registration record, without an additional ID check, really is enough to validate someone in like 99.999999% of cases. In order for someone to impersonate someone else while voting, they would need to:
-Know their name
-Know their address
-Know their designated polling place and physically visit it to cast a ballot
-And most importantly, they would need to know that the person they’re impersonating is not going to vote in that election. Because otherwise as soon as they do, it’s going to flag a voter fraud alert when one voter appears to be voting twice. Which is a federal crime that is taken very seriously and easy to track down, because it occurs so infrequently and there’s surveillance at every polling location
So an imposter would be risking federal prison time in order to swing an election by one vote. It’s something that happens like a single digit number of times per election.
Compare that to the hundreds or even thousands of times that people work 8+ hour days (since elections in the US are never on holidays), get to their polling place that closes as early as 6pm, and then find that they’ve forgot to bring or lost their ID, and then won’t or can’t vote in the election. The current system works fine, ID laws are 100% just a voter suppression tactic.
I’ll copy something I wrote up in another thread.
This is one of those things that needs some context. Lots of nations have ID requirements similar to this, and people from outside the United States are often confused as to why it’s a problem. The issue is that it’s a backdoor to voter disenfranchisement.
Not everyone drives, and therefore, doesn’t need a state-issued ID. But now you need one to vote. So you have to go to the DMV to get an ID that’s not a drivers license but functions the same way for ID purposes. Except the DMV is only open during working hours, has long lines, and the nearest one may not have public transportation going to it.
It’s often minorities who don’t have drivers licenses to begin with, and they tend to vote for Democrats.
In practice, there was never significant voter fraud at all. Not enough to change the outcome of any race. Even on the surface, it’s solving a non-problem.
Also, most voting rights advocates will point to the 24th Amendment, (arguably rightly) claiming that requiring ID that you must pay the state to acquire constitutes a poll tax.
To explain: when black men got the right to vote after the 15th Amendment was passed, lots of states tried lots of ways to make sure they couldn’t. One thing that was legal was requiring a fee to be paid in order to vote - this had the knock-on effect of making sure poor white people, who often sympathized with and voted with black people, couldn’t vote either. These fees were known as poll taxes, ostensibly to pay the people running the poll and defray the state’s cost of administering the election. Normally this was a nominal amount, but if you were a sharecropper or subsistence farmer who was literally counting half-pennies to get by month to month, the quarter that the poll tax required was enormous. Many states kept these poll taxes in one form or another for decades, and they were declared unconstitutional in 1966 by the SCOTUS in Harper v Virginia Board.
If I wanted a Real ID like this executive order required, I would be paying about $80 on the low end, assuming I do not need to pay to acquire any of the several documents I need to prove I am who I am.
i mean there is fraud usually by republicans, and always republican.
It’s hard to find the original Daily Show clip, but they show part of it here. It’s the most vile fucking double think imaginable, saying “Hey, I’m not racist, I just want to disenfranchise minority and student voters who HAPPEN to be mostly democrats, and by the way, yeah, I’m actually pretty fucking racist.” I’m just glad that the Daily Show got to interview a guy who was so lacking in self-awareness that he said it all out loud.
Then once you go into your polling place to actually cast your vote, they check your name/address to see if you’ve been registered, and if you have, then you are allowed to vote.
They also check your signature and compare it to what’s in your records. Over the course of my young adult years, my signature became more sloppy as I got lazier. I didn’t realize it until I went to vote and the person working there scrutinized my signature because of it.
I think that’s a local state or city requirement, I’m not sure I’ve ever had to sign for a ballot.
Elections in the US are run by the state government, even federal elections, so details like that are going to vary between states
Of course I have to show valid, government issued ID to vote.
Let’s talk about flying instead of voting.
What happens if you fly somewhere, have your wallet stolen, and have to fly home without an ID? Does your country have a procedure for dealing with this case?
The answer is pretty obviously yes. There are methods of confirming identification by other means, for issuing a new identification card quickly, etc.
With voting, the question isn’t whether government issued IDs can be used to streamline identity verification. Every polling site uses and accepts IDs. The question is what happens when someone doesn’t have their ID on them, or can’t get to the polling place in person: is there a procedure that still allows them to vote somehow? Those are the alternative procedures being banned by legislation like this.
I have an out-of-state ID because it was a hassle to get it updated after I moved, and when I went to vote (in Illinois), they required me to provide proof of residence, I forget exactly but like a copy of my lease or utility bills - pretty much the same documents you’d use to need to show to get an ID in the first place. You still have to prove you are who you say you are.
explain [to] me the controversy of requiring proof of citizenship?
- “Explain me” asks for an explanation about you and not to you. Compare “discuss me about the office.”
- The issue is that ID in America isn’t provided easily and cheaply/freely like civilized countries, and regions of America are so poor that getting proper ID paperwork could create food insecurity.
This problem dramatically affects people who don’t present as white, male, and non-poor, so Republicans say ‘suffer’ and Democrats don’t realize the route forward is no-cost ID. If Estonia figured it out, (cost, not related social issues) so can America.
Nice downvotes. Here I was sure this one would be seen positively. F me.
I think your second point is fine, but your first point comes across as condescending and needlessly pedantic. The meaning was clear enough.
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