Democrats decided genocide is more important than winning elections. Also, the ethnic cleansing of all Palastinians from Gaza was always what everyone in Israel and the US governments wanted. We will see if Trump’s stated intention do do more intervention gives enough of a push to meaningfully accelerate this process. The break with the Democrats is just admitting this out loud, rather than some vague discussion of “two state solution” ignoring that Israel would never allow that, and that would require the US at some point turning against Israel.

Thanks Kamala

Democracy is being dismantled as we speak. Agency by agency, loyalist by loyalist, executive order by executive order. And instead of building community, helping each other and organizing with those around you, I see people, who supposedly care about democracy, about human rights, about those they accuse; and what are they doing? They are blaming people who are powerless and desparing. Thereby further dividing the populace and making the takeover easier for the fascists in power. Be careful: You are telling on yourselves and your values. And we can see you.

How is what Trump’s doing worse than the genocidal carpet bombing campaign that was supplied/defended by Biden/Harris?

I find it funny how everyone blames everyone except for the Republicans who voted for Trump.

We had a choice between voting in a system that allows us some power to dissent and have a voice versus… this. The frustrating thing is this situation was just as advertised in Project 25, and then some.

We did not have an ideal choice, but we still had one. Now, here we find ourselves.

Y’know what this thread has made me realize? All the dumb memes of “the left fighting the left” are bullshit. I can respectfully debate other people on the left with me. I can change their minds about some things, they can change my mind on some things, we can come to compromises. I don’t agree with the communist 100%, but I agree with them at least 70-80%, and would happily work alongside them to accomplish that 70-80%.

You know who loves infighting though? Centrists who have deluded themselves into thinking they are leftists. You can find comment after comment in this thread from right-leaning centrists, gleefully demanding that they were “right all along” and how everything is our fault for just not being as smart as them. There is no political group that loves infighting as much as them, even more than the fascists. They want to spend the next four years trying to find out all the ways they can assign blame to the left, instead of organizing and doing anything.

I advocated for voting for Harris, and did so when the time came. I also don’t think this blame game gets us anywhere, and I’m already a little sick of talking about it.

I’m also done defending the Democratic Party as a whole. Individuals, yes, but not the party. I’m realizing through this that I have a certain reflexive need to correct misinformation about Democrats, but I’m clamping down on it.

If you see something that needs to be done, and no one else is willing to do it. It must be your job to make sure it’s taken care of. No one was ever going to save the Palestinians. Neither trumpkin or skamala should have even been on the ticket. Don’t use innocent deaths that you won’t speak out against as some sort of depraved check mate. Shows the depth of your moral depravity, that sort of thing should be frowned upon more in society.

My opinion is that Gaza was flattened under Biden’s watch, as he sold Bibi more and more weapons.

i think we would learn a lot, as a society, if we got together and did a study on the IQ of the collective voter, not necessarily the average voter, but the collective one.

How smart are we as a voting base. I feel like there’s probably some useful knowledge there.

I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?

I didn’t abstain. I voted for a candidate that didn’t support genocide while living in a solidly oligarch controlled state. What you would probably call “throwing my vote away.”

But no voter had a say in this past election. It was a struggle between the corporatist and oligarch branches of the capitalist class, and the oligarchs threw more money at buying the election.

That’s it. No need to vote shame, regardless of if someone did or did not vote. It should be blatantly obvious by now that the Office of the President is (well, was) a rental. Now the oligarchs bought it from the corporatist landlords and plan to remodel and reside in it forever.

There is no war but class war. Nobody is coming to save us. We have to save ourselves. Organize. Let’s make voting useful again.

From my perspective, as someone who didn’t have a vote in US politics and wanted you guys to vote to kick the can down the road until next time, but also understood the sentiment of those who didn’t bother, it wasn’t a belief that Trump would do any better so much as a loss in faith that the Democrats were who they claimed to be.

When hope dies, it might be replaced by despair, anger, and desperation, or it might be replaced by apathy.

And while that was going on, there was also propaganda going on where people were trying to push the idea that Trump would be any better. I don’t believe that there were a significant number of voters who voted for Trump or stayed home because they believed that to be true.

Right now, it looks like the main conflicts about this I’m seeing on this platform are those with hope trying to rally the troops, while those with anger are mainly upset at those with apathy.