Does this also apply to Native Americans or…?
Native Americans have a different claim. They are not claiming their ancestors give them the right to use the land. They have agreements with the US government. The US then promptly turned around and ignored their promises. The native Americans have the receipts.
Agreements about historical land ownership only apply to white people!
Blood and soil nationalism is ok when it’s promoted by non-white people.
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There’s a guy in southwest England whose family didn’t leave the village for 9000 years.
Even better is that the guy is 42 with no kids. I get that we all technically have ancestry that goes back to the first life on the planet, but this guy suddenly happens to have verified family lineage that goes back farther than any other human on the entire planet… And he’s the last one.
I pray that he consciously chose not to have kids… I know how soul destroying it can be to want to have kids but not be able to. But this guy… He suddenly, because someone needed a warm body to fill out their numbers to a nice round number, is directly confronted by a family lineage 9000 years old. And he’s the last. What an absolute mind fuck.Inbreeding mastery level: British
“Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his inbreeding levels?”
“IT’S OVER 9000 YEARS!”
H-how did they get spouses? Nevermind, I probably don’t want to know.
Spouses can move to the village, it’s just that the children never leave.
At least one parent was born in the village.
China is the same way.
never seen such a bunch of 9-dash fantasies. the logic they use to posit these idiotic claims is breathtaking.
Well that’s where t-rex lived
Birds: Um, akshully, we’re more closely related than you are!
Chickens 100% are just mini T-rexes.
Cassowaries make a lot more sense when seeing T-Rex like that.
They probably looked a lot more like birds than reptiles too because taxonomically speaking birds are actually dinosaurs.
Hungarian ultra-nationalists: “Since your kind was under my ancestor’s rule, you have to rejoin my country and learn my language, or else you’re a [incoherent antisemitic screaming]!”
Seagulls be like…
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I love it when the folks attempting to talk down to everyone else don’t know how history worked or how all those lines get drawn on the map.
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your comment is ambiguous: are you insulting my opinion or the other opinion? I need to know so I can act accordingly
so you blame the brits, then, for selling the land twice?
“interesting” that op won’t commit to an actual opinion on this. Could it be they agree but are too chickenshit to say!?
So your concern is that OP legitimately thinks that Komoto Dragons have a legitimate claim to all land? Or am I missing something?
Wow… You don’t seem smart.
says the guy calling someone chickenshit. sorry bud but humans are not chickens, chickens are an entirely seperate animal
Lol I love you
Also you’re a banana
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If you don’t clarify, then I and everyone else, have to assume that is your position based on your original post.
Hmmmmm, would this be a bad time to say Native Americans be like?
Well, the Native Americans have actual agreements that were made with the US government, that were then broken immediately by said government. They have the receipts. So this is a bit different.
An appropriate response would be that Native Americans are still being oppressed, marginalized, having agreements violated, to this day, that they’re rightly due actual reparations and land back on that basis, but that the statute of limitations for these kind of claims, if you’re trying to devise some kind of universal ethical system to deal with them, may extend 100, 200, 300 years, for various types of claims, but not 2,000. And the population dynamics and methods of displacement and so on are not the same at all either, which have critical implications on who they would expect reparations from. The Palestinian people did not displace the ancient Jewish population - genetically it’s been shown that they’re the descendants of that population, religious identity notwithstanding. The Romans and other groups instigated that displacement. The Jewish groups in the diaspora are not solely descendants of that population either, they’ve intermingled with other populations, such as in Eastern Europe. Native Americans on the other hand have a direct claim against the people still occupying the land they inhabited, and I’d say have remained a more distinct group today, if you want to deal with the question of ethnic homogeneity (which is of questionable importance in the first place).
Picture some scenario where you were going to have some kind of hypothetical international lawsuit, assuming all things were on the table in terms of what you could dedicate for reparations, and that you’re just slapping reparations onto different ethnic groups for their historic grievances. Who would the Jewish people as a whole be looking for reparations from first? The Post-WWII migration was spurred by Nazi Germany. They were alienated of their property in Europe. Germany pays some marginal form of reparations today, but for some reason the question of their compensation has been answered by depriving a completely unrelated people of their rights. What cause of action do the Jewish people have against Palestinians? None. The Palestinians today have a cause of actions against the subset of Jewish people who participated in their ethnic cleansing and genocide. The situation is not comparable to that of European settlers vs. Native Americans at all, unless you invert it to say, the Native Americans have a cause of action against European settlers for ethnic cleansing and genocide. What you are doing is inverting it into some hypothetical situation where Native Americans have performed ethnic cleansing and genocide against white people, which they have not, not in any meaningful sense. The way you have to understand these questions is that one group has been put into a lesser position of wealth and privilege than another, and that attempts to deal out justice would have to resolve that imbalance, but only to the extent that it’s reasonable and just.
What reparations are owed to the Indigenous people of the Vietnamese highlands, perpetrated against them for centuries against the other Indigenous people of the Vietnam lowlands?
I suspect you have better answers to that question than I do. Though the more pertinent question would probably be the reparations they’re owed from the genocide perpetrated against them by the U.S.
The cruel reality is that humans kill and steal from each other in competition for resources and security. Doesn’t matter if it’s a bullet to the head or a dishonored agreemen. Land belongs to nobody, and whoever shows up and beats the fuck out of whoever’s there now “owns” it. It is very hard for people to look at several hundred K of years of human history and realize it’s always been this way and never will change.
Try it and let us know how it works for you. Be sure to say it to their face in real life. 150 years is like 4 generations, that was after a sequence of attempted genocides, and then there was another two generations of trying to whitify them (fun fact, football has lots of rules because Yale attendees were soft racist little bitches who need participation trophies even 100 years ago). So yeah, let’s see what happens.
For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me.
(Exodus 20:5, NKJV)
you disgust me
So all white people in america and africa should fuck off back to europe?
So, listen, I’m not making a case for all of them, but…
Seriously though white people fucked stuff up for native americans and africans pretty hard, and just because it’s not discussed in the slightest and everyone (white people) pretend it’s not an issue, it doesn’t mean it’s not an issue. It’s less about white people though, and more about capital class that upholds the status quo, the by-product of which is the white supremacy - and that is very parrarel to the zionist claim.
I agree. But I think it might be time for humanity to get over this shit. We’ve been killing each other about stuff old people did years and years ago. Let’s move on and use that money and time to improve things for everybody, no matter where you live or what you look like.
Part of the problem is people acting like all that stuff is ancient history and not relevant anymore. Yet almost all violent problems around the world still are directly or indirectly caused by european colonialism that destroyed societies and meddling by so-called “western” states, who felt entitled to rule over everyone they defined as “uncivilized”. On top of that these “western” states still use their influence to enrich themselves on the backs of peoples of “third world” countries and calling it “global free trade” or “spreading democracy”. If all of that isn’t acknowledged and actively counteracted, humanity won’t ever get over this shit.
As someone living in one of those third world countries, that went through all the “truth and reconciliation” stuff, the redistribution of wealth is not going too well for most of the formerly disadvantaged. At least it is fairly peaceful here, we actually have german people buying property, as a getaway hole for incase things gets too out of hand in Europe. But anyway, maybe you’re right. Honestly, I don’t really care anymore, I was mostly just being facetious with my original comment. Peace to you and yours, typing on the phone is a pain.
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Explain
I suspect the real solution is somewhere between that and corporate land acknowledgements.
As I said elsewehere, we should all get over this shit and move on.
You forgot the part where the komodo dragon’s “promised land” was full of Phoenician Canaanites they had to genocide first.
The same Canaanites from Noah’s son because after everyone was killed by a flood, God deemed Canaan’s blood the good people worth saving?
He sure seemed to fuck it up and have to wipe out humans quite a few times. But that’s what you get for putting a tree in Eden for no other reason but to introduce sin to the innocent and trick humans into thinking Lucifer was the evil one.
And now he loves America. Just don’t tell the Italians.
Starting to see a pattern of bad outcomes for whoever makes a deal with this guy at the time…
You mean “was full of tasty snacks”.
Imagine Mongolia just started invading China and be like “MY ANCESTORS USED TO LIVE HERE”
This is Turkish nationalists with Turanist dreams
Imagine the Australians descending on London like “Oh yea nah me bluddy rellys is fully from here aye!”
I would support that. After that Australia can join the EU, and they’re already in Eurovision.
And maybe do something about the TERF infestation.
Yes please. I’ll donate to that gofundme.
There’s literally a province called Inner Mongolia where the Mongols not just used to live but live to this day.
The irony would be even greater if they were kicking out birds who they accused of displacing the ancient Dinosaurs.
The problem is that this argument can really be made both ways. If someone said Israel shouldn’t exist because Palestinians used to live there before that, that’s just essentially the same argument.
Neither argument hold any merit and is an example of the tyranny of history. Who cares what a bunch of dead assholes thought was theirs? The people who live there (not the politicians who pretend to represent their interests) are the only people that have any legitimate claim to authority on what should be done about the region.
It is especially meritless to equate people who claim the land based on other people sharing their religion having lived there a thousand years ago, with people whose grandparents got kicked out of their houses and who’ve had to live in an open air prison ever since while being subjected to regular attempts at ethnic cleansing.
Yep, maybe they could have a big fight, winner takes all.
Israel shouldn’t exist because it’s a colonial apartheid state perpetrating a genocide. That doesn’t mean every non-palestinian has to leave either.
But saying that Israel shouldn’t exist doesn’t mean that the Israelis have to leave
Okay hold on but what about the original Canaanites? Isn’t it their land?
They’ve all been dead for about two millennia
The area has had a population for thousands of years. The original Canaanites are the people who were still living there in 1947 when would be Israelis invited themselves to that land.
By 1947 they had been calling themselves Palestines for centuries
Well more like millennia. The Romans called the area Syria-Palestine. The Canaanite thing is really just to demonstrate that the Israelis weren’t the original inhabitants even in ancient history.
I honestly have no idea who those people are
The people the tribes of Israelites conquered to take ancient Israel.
Maybe im encroaching on a bit of history i dont know well enough, but isnt tribes of Israelites just a fancy way of saying Egyptian refugees? Deport them - I bet they even came in caravans, didn’t they?
Lmao it’s a little more complicated than that, I’m being very unserious.
