This is just a running laugh track of FBI bullshit. They found a Nazi, set him up with literally everything he needed to do a bomb attack from start to finish, then “caught” him the day before the election.

Also, note where our man Merrick says how they found out about this guy - “Confidential Human Sources”. Not spooky spyware or anything, dude just told someone who snitched. Nobody talks, everybody walks.

I salute our brave secret police and their ongoing campaign to catch guys they convinced to do terror plots in the first place. At least this time they actually picked a Nazi instead of a socially isolated mentally ill kid or something.

rat-salute-2

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    More and more convinced that McVeigh was set up and trained by the FBI and they intended to catch him before the act, just like this, only they fucked up really really bad

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      Idk. There’s a couple of critical things that let McVeigh do what he was doing. The OKC bombing was a major factor in what lead to Ammonia Nitrate fertilizer becoming strictly tracked and regulated in the US. He had knowledge of how to do what he did going in, he didn’t need someone to teach him. Everything was a lot more fast and loose in the 90s. This was before the internet as we know it, before 2001 lead to the creation of fusion intelligence centers to share info from the local level up to the feds, before a lot of innovations.

      A lot of these things are either created by or compromised by the feds, but it’s also important that a small group of people who can maintain strict secrecy can be extremely hard to track or stop. There weren’t really any whatsapp chats or twitter threads for McVeigh to say stupid shit on. The telcos weren’t GPS tracking the movements of everyone’s phones. The US alphabet soup had much more primitive resources than they do not.

      Could they have been involved? certainly. But I think it’s very plausible and likely that McVeigh had the knowledge and means to carry it off himself.

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        After reading Aberration in the Heartland of the real I was just left more confused than ever. There was significant prior evidence of bombing threats to the Murrah building, bomb sweeps had been done prior to April 19th and emergency police services were dispatched about 90 minutes prior to the bombing, corroborated by eye witness testimony both civilian and emergency service personnel. Plus a ton of stuff in that book that I’m sure I don’t remember.

        I don’t think he necessarily needed any training, but I do think some 3 letter agency was significantly involved

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          So, the thing with America is that there’s so many spies, assassins, mobsters, genocide guys, secret police, gusano terrorists, space aliens, and Kennedy’s floating around that often when something does go down, especially at a federal building, there will be like hundreds of super sus people within a one mile radius.

          Again, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t a TLA. But if you start looking for coincidences with every sketchy government and police and terrorist group in American you’ll always find lots and lots of them. It’s very much a correlation is not causation thing.

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            I would definitely agree with that. In McVeighs case it seems like he had tertiary involvement with weapon runners for the intelligence community which had significant overlap with the right wing gun show and white supremacy crowds. You can draw spiderweb connections all over, but they don’t amount to much more than interesting connections and coincidences.

            I don’t invest myself in these much more than letting my imagination get some exercise, it’s my equivalent of lore nerding

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        This article is basically a primer for Aberration in the Heartland of the Real. McVeigh connects like a spiders web across 1990’s conspiracies. He’s like the forest gump of conspiracy theories.

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          This article is basically a primer for Aberration in the Heartland of the Real.

          That book portrays McVeigh as some proto-channer. It’s wild how he was just the gen x 90s version of some dude who browses /b/.