I think anyone still in the scene will want to lay low for a while and work in the shadows. Only releasing after a few years.
I hope they dont go for dolphin or cemu claiming that certain games are in their e-shop for the switch 2 release.
Either way I think we should start backing up emulators and their source and require files regularly as a fallback.
Tons of boot kickers in the comments here
Boot lickers?
Well you gotta kick boots. What else you gonna do, kick sandals? That’s just insane.
Now and then I bought Nintendo games for my nephew. This stopped right now.
Teach your nephew about the evilness of Nintendo and why he shouldn’t support them anymore.
I mean. I understand the sentiment but I don’t think your nephew will understand 😅 you should keep buying games for your nephew bro. I’ll stop buying games in his place
I’m sure there’s plenty of other things they’d appreciate too. Maybe instead they could help them move over to PC even.
Get him a MIG!
I’m a bit salty this was apparently announced through Discord. Was it even posted anywhere else?
The future of social media is fragmented siloes, I guess.
I will never not be pissed off that the overwhelming majority of communities that made the internet vibrant especially when nerding out about niche stuff just happily moved to discord and foreclosed their futures.
Everytime I get down on the fediverse I think about what discord did to online communities I loved and I get fired up again.
I wouldn’t have an issue with many different communications platforms if they didn’t all require an account (also Discord not being indexable sucks).
Discord is even worse, as you need to find an invite to a specific Discord, and sometimes go through a lengthy sign up process for each Discord.
Some won’t let you sign up without a phone #.
Yeah, this is a big part of why I stopped using discord recently. Not yet sure of any alternatives but leaving is step one.
Matrix.
And… Lemmy.
It doesn’t matter though, the problem is the critical mass is migrating to Discord and shunting everything out of view. Honestly that’s much worse than being on Reddit, even now.
Yeah, why don’t they send an owl to each interested party?
Some of us like to be contacted via cute and fluffy snow owls…
You are a wizard Joe!..
…but an average one.
I need to remind some people here who don’t seem to understand something.
Forks may be dead and development may not be as fast as the original.
However - you must think about the future and not the situation right now. Yuzu and Ryujinx sources will be invaluable information for people making emulators later down the line.
It’s a matter of when and not if someone picks it up again.
Yeah hopefully.
I said this in another thread; I hope whoever picks it up keeps their dev team anonymous or prepares to enter this era’s legal battle, especially since it was supposedly already decided with an old Sony lawsuit against emulators.
btw. Were they opensource?
Yes, both Yuzu and Ryujinx were open source.
Ryujinx is licensed under MIT and Yuzu is under GPLv3.
Agree. Was thinking exactly the same this afternoon. If there would be a new generational console evolution (like it happened from the Wii to the Switch), then the when would be much faster. However, since it seems Nintendo is going for a Switch 2, I am just sad that Switch emulators will be halted for several years :/
Yeah, this is dumb.
I own original hardware and buy 100% of my games but sometimes you just wanna run games that aren’t originally crossplatform on your Steamdeck for convenience, or on a PC with resolution upscaling, or for ease of streaming the gameplay, or tons of other legitimate reasons.
Nintendo has some great IP and gameplay, and I guarantee you their sales are not meaningfully hurt by people who pirate/emulate games. Those people were never their customers anyway. If anything the emulation community enabled streamers to boost the popularity of their games. (People like PointCrow did more for the sustained popularity of BOTW than all of Nintendo’s marketing efforts combined)
I’m one of those weirdos who actually dumps all my own games with my own modded launch Switch mainly for preservation purposes.
But then TotK came out and performed so poorly on the console itself, I exported my save to play on PC and Steam Deck. Every part of my Switch emulation journey has been legal and by-the-book: dumped my own firmware, my own keys, and my own games.
Fuck Nintendo for bullying these developers.
A lot of people resort to emulation simply so they can play mods too.
That’s a perk of emulation, but it isn’t the reason why someone would pirate over purchasing it. People just want free shit, but they have a weird mental block in admitting it.
Those are two different situations.
There isn’t enough paying for shit that’s gonna make a mod run in an unmodified console. You can find people who have bought every single Pokémon game ever, and they still want to play romhacks and randomizers and such.
There’s something to be said about how willing people are to pay and whether they admit it or why. But sounds more like you don’t want to believe there’s any other reason to do it.
Yep, sure do.
keeps pirating
I own original hardware and buy 100% of my games but sometimes you just wanna run games that aren’t originally crossplatform on your Steamdeck for convenience, or on a PC with resolution upscaling, or for ease of streaming the gameplay, or tons of other legitimate reasons.
Can’t wait until our courts decide that, due to the prevalence of “remasters” that are just upscaled ROMs running on emulators, that this is no longer considered “fair use.”
Fair use has nothing to do with this. Fair use has to do with distributing a copyrighted work. Emulators are (ideally) running completely original code that isn’t copied from the company’s source code. This is why, for example, PCSX2 has you use “your own” PS2 BIOS instead of including it.
The PS2 BIOS is copyrighted, so it’s illegal to distribute it (and it’s never been “fair use” to distribute it). But it’s not illegal to do whatever you want with it (including dump it) as long as you own the console you’re dumping it from and as long as you don’t upload it to the internet for the purpose of distributing it to others. As far as the law is concerned, you bought the console and can do to it whatever you wish, provided you keep it to yourself and don’t distribute it to others.
Games fall under the same category. You’re free to dump your games and play them however you wish, provided you don’t distribute the dumped game to other people. However, companies are also free to implement measures (DRM) to stop you from doing that as much as possible, likely because they know more people would illegally distribute them if they didn’t.
I agree with you, but Nintendo’s sales are definitely hurt meaningfully by piracy. Over a million people downloaded TOTK when it leaked.
I was one of them but I also had my physical game pre-ordered so…
I would expect the people that bought a physical copy but pirated it anyway to be the minority, but we’ll never know.
And I guarantee a lot, if not most, of those people didn’t even have Switches. If Nintendo had released a PC version they would have sold a ton more.
So what you’re saying is not only did they not buy a game, they also didn’t buy the system the game was developed for. So it definitely hurt Nintendo’s bottom line.
But that’s on Nintendo. For those people the game doesn’t cost $70, it costs $200+ even if they buy a used Switch lite. Nintendo is deliberately leveraging their games to make people buy their console when those people just want to buy the game.
They want to have their cake and eat it too, and that is most likely one of the biggest reasons people pirated TOTK.
leveraging their games to make people buy their console when those people just want to buy the game
That’s the whole point of exclusive titles and every console vendor does it.
Everybody doing it doesn’t change the fact that it’s a bad thing for customers and a reason for piracy.
No, because if they wanted a Switch, they would have bought one.
Guys quick a question. At the moment i have Ryujinx installed on my deck through Emudeck. Will it disappear with my next update???
Nah, Yuzu is still working fine on mine. Basically, if you had the emulator installed prior to the takedown, EmuDeck will continue to use it.
Which is honestly a pretty good argument for just installing every single emulator (even if you never think you’ll use them!) because they don’t really take up that much space, and you could potentially lose access to them if you never bothered before a takedown.
Historically, no.
When yuzu went down Emudeck was very specific that they will not remove any emulators that you have already installed.
Imagine not developing a controversial emulator anonymously…
doesn’t matter if they don’t know who you are, Nintendo can still offer you a ton of money to delete it. it wasn’t necessarily legal threats or I assume they would have sent the cease and desist to GitHub and gotten the repo removed first
You’re not wrong. I just think that if you believe there is a good chance of having legal problems for your project (I don’t see why they wouldn’t have thought that), then it makes the most sense to do it anonymously from the beginning to avoid getting sued. Yes they can still possibly offer you money, but it might not be worth revealing your identity at that point either, as any continued development could be assumed to be you, and then you must defend yourself in court if they sue, even if it was never you.
Emulators have been legal in the past I thought. Sure, there’s something to be said about common sense and developing emulators for current generation platforms.
Whole reimplementations have survived. IBM BIOS was the only original BIOS for PCs. Phoenix Technologies had a team read the source code for IBM BIOS (it was published in the user manual for troubleshooting) and wrote a specification for it which a different team wrote software from, making IBM compatible machines possible
I don’t know what law an emulator could be killed under, unless a license holder breached the user license as part of the development
IIRC, they’re legal as long as they don’t explicitly distribute any of the copyright owner’s own code or files. That’s why, for example, PCSX2 requires you to dump “your own” PS2 BIOS and doesn’t provide any itself. Because PCSX2 doesn’t distribute the PS2 BIOS and because its way of talking to the BIOS doesn’t copy the source code, that emulator is in the clear.
Some modern emulators (ex. Ryujinx) don’t even need BIOS files (or whatever they’re called on Switch) to be able to run games. But they also don’t use Nintendo’s original code to run the game.
Take all this with a grain of salt. I’m saying it from memory.
You wouldn’t download the PS2 BIOS 🎸🎸🎸
Yes, I wasn’t trying to refute that. But Nintendo can still ruin your life fighting a losing battle if they wanted to. To me it’s just not worth the risk of putting your name on it.
I’ve always wondered that. Why not just throw a git repo behind I2P or onto IPFS? It’s like they want to be attacked.
Attention and recognition.
Well that sucks… I’m still pissed at Roblox for their DRM rug pull on Linux. Didn’t stop the bots and hackers for more than two weeks anyways - bet Ryujinx 2.0 will be out soon too.
Anyone know if DRM is cracked on Roblox yet? Just a yes or no I can find it nevermind I’ll go look
Not yet you need android emu to do it like sober
sober works.
Yesss! Closed source (not surprising let’s not share the recipe with Roblox devs) and only available as flatpak but I’ll take it! Thanks bru
Why is Nintendo in particular this aggressive against emulators? Why haven’t we heard of Sony going after PCSX2 and RPCS3, or Microsoft going after Xenia and Xemu?
Nintendo sucks that’s why
Nintendo’s infamously protective of its IP, even to its obvious detriment. I know a lot of people who jumped on the nomoretendo bandwagon after AM2R got DMCA’d, because the smart and morally correct thing to do would have been to hire that person and pull his incredible talent into the next Metroid game, because they clearly had a lot of love and respect for the subject matter and the technical expertise to put it into action. It’s hard to overstate just how fucking good and polished that project was, virtually identical to the Fusion/Zero Mission engine, except in the ways it was more improved. It was certainly better than anything Nintendo had done with Metroid in quite a while.
According to what i’ve read around, the Switch 2 will be retro-compatible with the Switch and a big sellout will be possibility run all the old games in full hd with higher frames (something emulators already do better). Also this may have been used to adapt current emulators to the new console games.
It is likely due to age and popularity. At this point PCSX2 is the only widely popular emulator you’ve listed, but is older, in the same way Dolphin is old and less of a concern of harming their limelight. That isn’t to say those other emulators aren’t making waves lately, but there is a window between age and popularity that makes this software a prime target. Especially emulators for current gen, which has been historically very rare, and when it did exist were no where near as good as CEMU, Yuzu, and Ryujinx were.
In general I’d agree, although Citra feels like an exception. I’m not quite sure why they targeted that one so hard.
Probably for the same reason Nintendo shuttered the stores for 3DS and Wii U over the last year. They are attempting to consolidate infrastructure, support, user base, and sales.
Now that Citra isn’t available, Nintendo knows I have no choice but to buy Samus Returns on my Switch!
I’d guess it is because the most popular way to acquire games for Citra was Nintendo’s own servers
I think this also shows how underpowered Nintendo consoles are; the Switch is essentially a slightly upgraded Wii U, which itself was only marginally better than the PS3 and Xbox 360! If Nintendo really wanted to combat piracy, all they had to do was beef up their flagship console to the point where it’s hard to emulate.
And triple their price? I guess the Switch is priced the way it’s priced so people can actually afford buying one.
Because none of those emulate current generation systems.
People act weirdly entitled about Nintendo product, throw shitfits when Nintendo reacts exactly like Sony or Microsoft would to them doing the same thing, then act extra hurt that Nintendo did it.
The last version released is 1.1.1403. Easy to find with a google search.
I’ve already found two repos that successfully copied everything over before the main repo disappeared. I even built a working copy of Ryujinx from one of them. I’d probably find several more easily if I tried hard enough.
fuck Nintendo and fuck fanboys who defend them at every turn. breath of the wild was a 7/10 game
I say this as a die-hard 3D Zelda fan:
I was soooo boooored in BOTW! There was no current main story. It all happened in the past. You’re basically playing through the climax the entire time. And I hated it. I mainly play Zelda for the story, and this was a very poorly told one.
TOTK was somewhat better because it gave us better characters (I will die for Tulin), a bit better characterization (I enjoyed Zelda getting a lot more fleshed out this time), and a somewhat better story… but there were still way too many reused story beats. That is to say, the story was fleshed out much better, but they still reused the overall story structure from BOTW (get the memories fight the four bosses in the four temples, etc.). They did add a fifth temple and a mid-game story thing, but that’s mostly it. They also didn’t even acknowledge how similar some things were to their counterparts in BOTW (ex. the
MaliceGloom), which really bothered me. Also, some stuff just felt… unfinished. Like the reporter bird who, by the end of it all, just ends up pondering and trying to figure himself out… and that’s it. It felt like setup for DLC, but there wasn’t any.… That was a very unintentionally long rant.
To summarize: hated BOTW; somewhat enjoyed TOTK, though it could’ve been much better.
I actually hated BotW 😂
Its insanely repetitive and I got so tired of watching the same cut scenes over and over with no way to skip them…
I know it’s a hot take but don’t downvote me for my opinion haha.
I’ve hated every cartoony zelda ever made. I will die playing LttP over and over again.
Link Between Worlds was awesome as well.
I would consider that cartoony as well. You might disagree but that’s ok. I’m not trying to pretend like my opinion is popular, it’s just how I personally feel.
Botw is easily a 9/10 for me . Totk too. I really like Nintendos take on open world. However, I still appreciate the other Zelda games a lot and I hope they don’t completely abandon that linear formula
The world is interactive but bland. Except a few scenic vistas, there’s nothing interesting about the botw’s open world.
All the more reason to buy their next system at V1.0 with 0 games.
…keep it in the box for a year and keep an eye on a hack hitting the news.
I desperately wanted a switch 2 and been gaming on my mac using emu and a handful of native games until release.
But at this point I’ll probably pick up the ps5 or steam deck just to avoid these folks ^
The Steam Deck is a great option, I have a hub to be able to play on my TV, and don’t tell Nintendo, but a lot of Switch games run nicely.
I have an SD full of every NES-N64 game with a bunch of GameCube thrown in too, it’s a beautiful thing. Plus gyro on old GameCube games is pretty funny
Lol great advice, probably runs them better and SD card sounds like a dream
You’re entitled to your opinion, but it objectively is not a 7/10.
You know ratings are inherently subjective right?
yeah I probably overrated it
BOTW is not a real Zelda game IMHO.
I’m now pretty sure we got our last Nintendo switch game. I’m not going to buy out kids anything Nintendo anymore. They are the most recent RIAA.
You were buying Switch games but because of something unrelated to your gaming and purchasing habits, you’re going to stop your unrelated behavior?
that is typically how boycotts work yes.
Nestle isn’t poisoning their bottled water but some people still refuse to buy it.
Yup
I don’t even have a single Nintendo or game of any sort. My kids got dupped by YouTube and so now it’s either cry or pay for that shit…a few years ago… Today though, they are old enough to get pissed at things. I shall explain what Nintendo is doing so that they make better choices in the future.
What doesn’t make sense though is why now all of a sudden? They were content to buy Nintendo games up until yesterday, but the Ryujinx takedown, which was amicably agreed upon between Nintendo and the devs, that was the final straw? This just screams disingenuous en vogue Nintendo bashing to me.
People refuse to buy Nestle products because Nestle is a wildly unethical company and its behavior directly affects which products are available to purchase. Nintendo protecting their IP, while sucking for pirates, doesn’t violate any known ethical principle. Apples and oranges.
Are you suggesting that no one is allowed to see Nintendo do a new bad thing and say “I’m no longer willing to give them my money”?
Not to mention there’s nothing ‘amicable’ about a massive corporation, infamous for their lawsuits, approaching a single programmer with a deal that is obviously the only way to avoid being sued, despite the fact that emulators are legal.
If someone purchases a Switch game they have every right to back it up and use an emulator to play it. Instead of strongarming these projects into submission, the ethical thing would be working with them to sell legal access to ROMs.
why now all of a sudden
It’s not new though, it has been happening for years. Selection bias might be skewing your view.
That was their point lol
This is arguably the tamest thing Nintendo has done recently, so it’s a weird final straw
I should have articulated my point better. I meant that this has been the “final straw” for some people for most of those steps along the way in the picture. If you look at the comments from then it’s often the same kind of thing you’re seeing right now. That’s why I mentioned selection bias, because there are actually lots of final straws happening over time, people just aren’t seeing those or weren’t around then.
These asstards really hate fun.
The SWITCH, is my last Nintendo product I will own.
The Steam Deck is the last nintendo console I’ll need
There were so many Nintendo apologists when Yuzu was taken down because “Yuzu used actual nintendo source code, so that’s why they were taken down, it won’t happen to Ryujinx.” Yet here we are. Nintendo is by far the shittiest company when it comes to protecting their IP, because it’s all they have. Turns out, Mario is a fucking bootlicker
Yuzu did not use “nintendo source code”.
They simply hosted decryption keys in their repository. But that still was not the focus of Nintendo’s move. It was that Yuzu and its company profited directly from the release of The Legend of Zelda.
Well he is always saving the monarchy. Should have been kinda obvious 👑
Saving one monarchy from another.
Yeah but Bowser at least gives his subjects free healthcare. Sometimes even brings them back to life. When have you seen a skeletoad?
True. The only time we’ve seen a Toad’s skeleton is when they’re electrocuted in Mario Strikers Charged.
I don’t understand how people think getting rid of emulators is good. Having emulators is better as a consumer than not having them at all, since it can give gamers more ways to play their games and might incentivize Nintendo to add features to compete with emulators (think better res and fps, mod support, save states, no online requirement).
Because a subset of people are and always will be idiots. Remember: some people think unions exist to steal your money, socialism is communist dictatorship propaganda, and privatization of government services is good for everybody.
Nintendo fanboys are a special breed of stupid, arguing with them about Nintendo’s policies and anti consumer practices is just a wasted effort.
because it’s all they have
I’m not quite sure you fully understand what you said here, given your surrounding arguments. Nintendo literally cannot exist if they allow emulators without becoming just another Sony/Microsoft. And they cannot realistically compete against those two.
