Israel’s “Special Military Operation”
So let me get this straight. They are executing a military operation in a sovereign nation… without permission?
yeah, but it is limited so that makes it perfectly fine.
Am I allowed to ask where that “limit” is exactly? 🙃
Limited to all of Lebanon maybe?
The Euphrates, apparently.
They’re also launching a pre-emptive invasion, so they can’t be declaring war. It’s just defence in shallow
It’s a “special military operation”. It’ll be over in 3 days, tops.
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That’s what usually happens during a war… Hezbollah is effectively the army of Lebanon. The fact that Lebanon’s government does not officially call it that does not change the reality on the ground.
Israel is aiming to reoccupy Lebanon. These are the exact same tactics Israel always uses when expanding their Settler Colonialism
That weeklong “truce” really says it all about Israel.
The fact that it lasted only for a week, or the fact that not even during that week could Israel keep their rockets in their pants?
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make by counting the number of individual attacks. In a war, you want to be attacking the enemy while preventing the enemy from attacking you. To the extent that this chart is meaningful (and I’m not sure it is, given that it does not take the size of an attack into account) it’s just showing that Israel appears to be fighting Hezbollah effectively - Israeli victory would mean reducing the red bars to zero.
Are you implying that Israel’s much greater number of attacks are because they are doing really tiny attacks or something? According to Wikipedia, 1642 Lebanese dead vs 52 Israelis. I.e. 31 times more Lebanese than Israeli deaths. So if anything Israel is killing more per strike, given that they only made 5 times more attacks (or 4 times more counting up until mid September). So it’s highly likely Israel is doing bigger strikes with less concern for civilian casualties. Notably, nobody is surprised about this given the horror we’ve all been watching for the past year.
Israeli victory would mean reducing the red bars to zero
Then good news. A cease fire in Gaza would achieve this. Shame Bibi doesn’t seem interested in that but he sure does love killing children so I guess it works out for him at least.
Are you implying that Israel’s much greater number of attacks are because they are doing really tiny attacks or something?
No, I’m just saying the graph is probably useless. Israel definitely is launching more and larger attacks, because that’s how you win a war. Ideally Hezbollah would be launching zero attacks because Israel launched the massive number of attacks necessary to cripple Hezbollah. A little red bar, then a big blue bar, and finally no red bar at all.
Israel is doing bigger strikes with less concern for civilian casualties.
Is this a joke? Hezbollah usually attacks with unguided rockets. This demonstrates zero concern for civilian casualties. Less than zero, actually, because the intent of the attacks is to cause civilian casualties. Relatively few Israeli civilians have died because Israel is successfully defending them, not because Hezbollah’s policy regarding Israeli civilians is different from that of Hamas.
A cease fire in Gaza would achieve this.
Even if that is true (and it would only be true in the short term) then Israel would still be foolish to make major concessions to its persistent enemies when it has the military power necessary not to. Meanwhile Hezbollah would be more inclined to launch future attacks because it would see that they worked.
No, I’m just saying the graph is probably useless. Israel definitely is launching more and larger attacks, because that’s how you win a war.
How can the graph be useless if it shows a point you agree with, that Israel is launching more and larger attacks?
Is this a joke? Hezbollah usually attacks with unguided rockets. This demonstrates zero concern for civilian casualties. Less than zero, actually, because the intent of the attacks is to cause civilian casualties. Relatively few Israeli civilians have died because Israel is successfully defending them, not because Hezbollah’s policy regarding Israeli civilians is different from that of Hamas.
Not joking. Just confused. Do you have a source for this about unguided rockets targeting civilians from Hezbollah?
This article among many others don’t mention this. In fact, according to them they are targeting troops and intelligence bases.
Hezbollah also fired more rockets and missiles into Israel - attacks that Mr Afif said were “only the beginning” of its response to Israel’s attacks.
Sirens sounded several times in the border town of Metula, where Hezbollah said its fighters had targeted Israeli troops with artillery and rocket fire without mentioning any incursion.
The group also claimed it had fired missiles towards two Israeli intelligence bases in the central Tel Aviv area. Paramedics said two people were injured on a highway near Kafr Qasim.
Much like with the IDF’s claims, I am not eager to believe what they say. I would just like to see the evidence for these unguided attacks because the death tolls and overall number of attacks do not seem to support this conclusion at all.
Even if that is true (and it would only be true in the short term) then Israel would still be foolish to make major concessions to its persistent enemies when it has the military power necessary not to. Meanwhile Hezbollah would be more inclined to launch future attacks because it would see that they worked.
The point is they don’t have to be persistent enemies. There can be peace, and the start of that is an actual two state solution. Given that the country was founded on ethnic cleansing, I totally understand why people in the region would see Israel as the enemy until they actually take genuine steps to rectify the situation. Currently, instead of this they are doing a genocide. And when this started is when Hezbollah started attacking, at least most recently. Not only that, they explicitly said that was why they attacked.
I am a bit concerned that your argument seems to be “why do peace and diplomacy when we can kill people until we’re safe?” It is incredibly short sighted to think that war can solve this persistent conflict. When was Hezbollah formed again? Oh yeah after Israel invaded Lebanon. So why would more war “solve” this issue rather than create new ones?
It’s easy to chest thump and drop bombs. Maybe it even makes you feel good. But all it does is guarantee more civilian deaths and displacement in future, on both sides.
Don’t you want the killing to end?
To the extent that it’s accurate, it shows Israel attacking first. It looks more like Israel is provoking Hezbollah. Of course, this didn’t start last October.
I’m not sure you and Netanyahu agree on what Israeli victory would mean.
Lol has Lebanon declared war? Has Israel? Sounds like goal post moving to ignore the facts. Isreal is a Rogue nation backed by zionest, Christian nationalist, and the oligarchy. There’s no rational argument where killing 300 people to kill one man is acceptable.
There is an armed conflict (usually described with the word war) between Hezbollah and Israel, which has been ongoing and escalating since October 8th, when the prior launched attacks against Israel in support of the Hamas attack on October 7th.
Hezbollah is conducting its warfare from territories considered part of Lebanon, but de facto militarily controlled by Hezbollah.
Israels declared intent is to fight Hezbollah, not Lebanon. As Hezbollah is not a sovereign nation, no declaration of war is necessary. (If the concept of an undeclared war is confusing to any reader, they should read up on it, most wars since WW2 have been undeclared)
The withdrawal of the Lebanese military where the IDF operates further indicates that this is not a conflict between Lebanon and Israel.
Long story short, this is a war in Lebanon between Israel and Hezbollah where Israeli forces are invading.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/01/world/middleeast/lebanon-government-failure-israeli-strikes.html
Um… No. You usually have to declare war before you invade.
I’m American and I’m just going to stop you right there. We last declared war formally for World War 2, but, uh…well…we’ve done some stupid shit in other countries since then without declaring war. So, based on this I’ll just go ahead and disagree with you that you have to declare war before invasion. If you need more evidence, see Russia/Ukraine or UK/Argentina.
I’m not saying it’s right. I’m just saying you don’t have to.
Okay I’d assumed it was necessary to declare war under international law (I know it’s not followed by many countries) but according to Google that’s not the case.
Lol, funny
Israel’s “Special Military Operation”
Even Russia learned their lesson in this part of the world.
Unlike Russia, Israel has no qualms about calling this a war.
But wars are divided into offensives, eg Ardennes Offensive, Tet Offensive, eg. This is the latest Israeli offensive in their war.
No rockets or any form of attack or threat were launched from Ukraine into russia before the 24th feb invasion, stop making this dumb comparison.
It’s a good comparison, both Russia and and the settler colonial apartheid entity are illegally invading their neighbors, commit genocide and countless other war crimes & crimes against humanity. The only thing that differs is the rhetoric of western media and politicians.
No, it is just a convenient muddle to serve your polarizing narrative of what is happening all around the world. When did Ukraine ever attack russia before 2023? When did Ukraine ever declare “death to russia” or that russia should disappear? You keep trying to plug your square peg to a circular hole, because Ukraine is backed by the West.
What you’re saying makes no sense. Ukraine is backed by the west and that’s a good thing. Unfortunately only out of geopolitical interest and not because of the atrocities Russia is committing in their illegal invasion of Ukraine.
I care about human rights, that’s why I condemn both Russia and the west. You have an agenda that’s why you’re apologetic towards the settler colonial apartheid genociders.
If Ukraine had done to russia half of what hamas and hezbollah have done to Israel, nobody would be rushing to Ukraine’s defense, like nobody rushed to Iraq’s defense.
Human rights can at most make you neutral about Israel vs its opponents, because none of Israel’s opponents give a crap about human rights either. Not the case with Ukraine, they at most match russian escalation.
Israel, despite being captured by fucking brutal idiots right now (whereas before Oct7, bibi was eventually going to jail, gee thanks hamas), has always faced some existential threat of some kind, whereas russia never faced any realistic threat from anyone and still brag about their willingness to break all rules for “russian greatness”.
You are missing the point. This conflict did not start on October 7 and not with the founding of Hamas or Hezbollah. This conflict started with the colonization, ethnic cleansing, dispossession, rape of Palestinians and countless other crimes against humanity committed by the Zionist settlers.
And this conflict will only end with the decolonization of Palestine with Palestinians having equal rights in a democratic country that acknowledges and compensates for the Nakba that Palestinians have suffered through and respects the right to return of Palestinian refugees.
In the course of that we’re gonna need something similar to the Nuremberg trials and a de-Zionisation of the population. Needless to say Israelis will have the right to stay, but they need to abandon Zionism. Israelis won’t like this, because they have to give up their ethnic superiority beliefs and their apartheid state. And I have a hunch that you also won’t like to hear this, but this is the only way to resolve this issue once and for all.
Maybe, but you are missing a point too. Even if it was a mistake to create Israel in hindsight (the world was very different just after 1945), the fact is that there are millions of people who live there, call the place home and will do anything to keep what they have.
Good luck “making them disappear” by basing all your reasoning on dismissing them as zionists and a settler state who cannot possibly feel like they truly belong there.
The best you can get is a palestinian state and expulsion of settlers from the West Bank, but for that you need assurances that Iran or anyone else won’t be placing missiles 20km away from any major Israeli city, which anyone who thinks like you will never be able to guarantee, because of what you believe.
Now compare that to russia, largest country on Earth, with infinite resources, enough nukes to destroy every major capital, huge strategic depth (less than the US, more than most countries) acting like they are the victim against a country that committed the crime of not submitting to their influence and then annexing 5 Israels’ worth of their land.
Attacks like the Kerch Bridge Explosion that connect Russia with occupied crimea do not count?
The one in October 2022 (9 months after the invasion) or the one in July 2023 (17 months after the invasion)?
Now where have we heard that one before…
I guess that means the US will send another $10B “self defense” aid package, again. Sigh.
Cunts
Concise. I like it.
Netanyahu wants a forever war to maintain dictatorial power. That is what this is ultimately about. Don’t take my word for it, ask his former best friend.
Boy howdy, I can’t wait for Iran to intervene and then the US gets into it again.
Iran just launched a missile attack on Israel. So I guess you don’t have to wait.
Boy howdy.
Please don’t make any further comments about waiting for bad things…
Boy howdy, I can’t wait for world peace?
Good luck Lebanon, send those Israeli terrorists to their grave.
On the flip side good luck Israel, destroy those Hezbollah terrorists.
The best way to destroy hizbollah is Israel getting out of all 67 occupied lands
I would extend this to decolonizing Palestine and granting Palestinians equal rights in an actually democratic country.
Just like they did a limited military operation in Gaza? I mean when you’ve leveled 97% of the country I guess it could be technically called “limited”, but then you’re really stretching that semantic to the breaking point.
Hezbollah is not HAMAS. This is going to get really, really messy.
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