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  • With regards to the Russian Oreshnik IRBM (and conventional prompt strike weapons in general), and Putin’s statements over the past few days and weeks about how these conventional weapons can do similar amount of damage as tactical nuclear weapons, the user @[email protected] asked a really good question: what kind of facilities would take a similar amount of damage from an Oreshnik strike as a tactical nuclear weapon?

    My attempt to answer that question, with some analysis and satellite imagery. Click here to expand the spoiler tag.

    My answer was an airbase, for the following reasons: Airbases are quite spread out hardened targets, with everything you want to strike spread out over kilometres, and usually protected by hardened shelters, in the case of forward airbases that are likely to be hit first. You can either do this with a lot of high precision weapons, or with a wide area of effect weapons, such as using cluster warheads/submunitions, or even a tactical nuclear weapon in a total war scenario.

    The problem with a lot of submunition or cluster munition based weapons, is that the smaller conventional explosive munitions lack the power to seriously damage any hardened shelters, for aircraft, resources or personnel. That’s fine if the airbase is relatively unprotected, but if it’s full of hardened shelters, it poses a serious issue. But Oreshnik is unique in this regard: it is suspected to use kinetic submunitions that travel fast enough and with enough energy to penetrate these hardened shelters and cause damage to them. That’s why I thought Oreshnik would be an ideal weapon to seriously damage forward airbases. It’s a submunition weapon, without the drawbacks of typical submunition weapons.

    To support my argument, we’ll be using imagery and data from Iran’s retaliatory strike on Nevatim Airbase during Operation True Promise II. We know that there were 33 observed impacts on the base. So what if, instead of each impact being from a single warhead, it was from a grouping of submunitions with a 175m radius for the grouping. 175m is the estimated damage radius of a Chinese DF-15 SRBM with a submunition warhead, so it’s why I’m using that figure (also I’m lazy and some OSINT guy on twitter already did the math and imagery with that radius). 33 groupings would be the approximately the equivalent of six Oreshnik IRBMs, as each Oreshnik is estimated to carry 6 MIRVs, with six submunitions each. Six Oreshniks would give you 36 groupings, so three more than the Iranian strike. But close enough for this comparison. Now Iran did not use submunitions for the reason I described in the previous paragraph, but we know that reasoning does not apply to Oreshnik, so here we go:

    As you can see, we go from singular impacts mostly missing key targets, to getting good coverage over key buildings on the base as a whole. Let’s look at the potential hits in detail:

    As for the aircraft shelters in the north west of the base, the strike has gone from hitting none of them, to hitting 9 aircraft shelters within the radius of the cluster strike. And those 9 shelters only required two groupings to take out. Now let’s move on to the F-35 hardened shelters at the heart of the base:

    Iran achieved one direct hit here with a couple of near misses. But now with a potential cluster munition strike, 19 of these hardened shelters are hit, along with a couple of other buildings. A huge difference. Now moving on to the aircraft hangars to the east:

    Here Iran did manage a some good hits on these hangars, so the difference is not large. But there is full coverage over the hangars, and six large aircraft could have been destroyed if they were unable to get in the air before the strike.

    So in conclusion, from the Iranian strike, to a potential Oreshnik strike with six Oreshniks on the same target, we’ve gone from a direct hit on 1 F-35 hardened aircraft shelter and a couple of hits on unprotected hangars to the east, to hitting 19 F-35 shelters, 9 other fighter jet shelters, 5 unprotected hangars (for 33 hangars/shelters total), and 6 large parked aircraft. And that’s if Oreshnik has the same accuracy as Iranian MRBMs. If it has greater accuracy, the same damage could be done with less Oreshniks, or more damage with the same amount. If the Oreshnik was incredibly accurate and always hit it’s mark (very unrealistic, but just for the sake of argument), only one Oreshnik would have been needed to take out those 33 hangars/hardened shelters, as only six groupings were required here. That’s an incredible amount of damage from one conventional missile, to be able to take out 30+ fighter aircraft with one missile, while they are still on the ground. Even if multiple Oreshniks are required for such a strike (which is likely), it’s still a massive amount of damage. This is what Putin means when he says it’s equivalent to a tactical nuclear weapon. Taking out an entire airbase with half a dozen missiles, or even less if they are highly accurate.



  • An airbase really. Submunition warheads can do large scale damage to such installations, and kinetic submunitions travelling at 2.5-3.0 kilometres per second on impact will slice through any hardened aircraft shelter that ordinary conventional explosive submunitions would be unable to damage or penetrate. Each single Oreshnik IRBM has 6 groupings of 6 submunitions each, for a total of 36 submunitions. Think of Oreshnik as the missile version of a shotgun with six shells in the magazine tube, and each shell contains six pellets each, that can penetrate body armour. Now for instance, if Russia fired 6 of these Oreshnik IRBMs, you’re looking at 36 seperate groupings, and 216 total kinetic submunitions. Again, this is only from 6 missiles.

    There was a graphic going around after Iran’s strike on Nevatim Airbase in Israel, showing how much more targets Iran could have hit if they used submunitions. It was quite eye opening, I’ll see if I can find it. Now Iran did not use submunitions in that attack, because conventional submunitions would not have the kinetic energy, nor the explosive power to penetrate the hardened aircraft shelters at Nevatim, where Israel stored their F-35s. Oreshnik has no such issues with the kinetic energy of it’s submunitions impacting the target at such high speeds.

    At the end of the day Oreshnik is a conventional prompt strike (CPS) weapons system, there’s some interesting reading on that if you’re looking at the impact CPS weapons can have on deterrence and nuclear doctrine. If you google or research CPS weapons, you can find some interesting things, feel free to post anything interesting if you do so, it’s a topic that hasn’t seen much debate since it was last a big issue in meetings between Putin and Obama. The Bush Jr administration was actually the first to consider the development of such a weapon.









  • But the USA uses these groups to steal Syria’s oil, which played a large part in the economic conditions that lead to the downfall of the Syrian state. Such a reality cannot be waved away.

    Attempts to portray the SDF/SDC as a “Kurdish” administration or armed group, minimising the majority Arab role in the region

    Didn’t the SDF just retreat from Deir ez-Zor, initially taking it after the SAA abandoned their positions there, because the people of Deir ez-Zor did not want to be under their governance, and want to be under the governance of whoever controls Damascus? There were mass protests against them in the city.

    Of course any terrorist apologa for HTS/SNA, or any Turkish supremacist positions, support for the Turkish bombing campaign against the SDF, and any anti Kurdish rhetoric, should not be tolerated. But realities cannot be ignored. The SDF played a part in the collapse of the Syrian state by allying with the United States. I have a feeling that the United States will abandon them soon (as they have done previously), because from a US perspective, their role has been fulfilled, to help collapse the state of Syria.

    “Assad’s shitty regime” was the only thing preventing what has happened over the past 72 hours, a mass Israeli bombing campaign, the largest in their history, which has eliminated the military and scientific capabilities of the Syrian state, with over 400 strikes in the last 72 hours, and an Israeli invasion of southern Syria, with Israeli troops 20km from Damascus. Without the SAA’s integrated air defence system being operational, Israel has been able to bomb Syria freely in a way that was never possible beforehand. Assad’s regime also prevented the executions of minority groups by ISIS ideologues, something that has been happening at a high rates since the fall of the government. Yes Assad was a tinpot dictator in many ways, with him and his brother doing terrible things, but this was better than the alternative, which has happened now, and will continue to happen. Israel is not going to stop until someone stops them, and HTS/SNA will continue with their jihadist-salafist ISIS like behaviour until someone stops them. In the past that was the SAA with Russian, Hezbollah and Iranian support, but that no longer exists. And the equipment they used to do that no longer exists for the new Syrian state either, Israel has destroyed it. I support the SDF in their fights against the SNA and Turkey, but I feel that the outcome of such, with the SDF retreating over the past few days, is not looking positive.








  • Yeah, you can experiment with this yourself by taking a picture of yourself with your smartphone in low light conditions without night mode, and then sending it on WhatsApp in low quality/not HD, and viewing the end result. You’ll see all fine hair details disappear. If you have a short/thin beard, thin eyebrows, etc, it will literally disappear on the photograph in the end result.

    Honestly I think all the people denying that this guy is the assassin is just cope because he turned out to be a normal guy with a grudge against health insurance due to personal experience and severe surgery, and not some sort of based communist/anarchist revolutionary that people projected their desires on him to be.


  • Exclusive: Syria’s new rulers back shift to free-market economy, business leader says - Reuters, 10 December 2024

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    Syria’s new government has told business leaders it will adopt a free-market model and integrate the country into the global economy in a major shift from decades of corrupt state control, the head of the biggest Syrian business lobby said on Tuesday.

    “It will be a free-market system based on competition,” Bassel Hamwi, head of the Damascus Chambers of Commerce, told Reuters in an interview…

    Yes, it’s real, we’re getting neoliberal free market jihadists now, 2024 just keeps on giving…

    “People are still waiting to see if it will be an open society or an Islamic state,” a Beirut-based Syrian businessman said, who asked not to be named to talk freely.

    Why not both, an open market and Islamic state?

    Hamwi said he had been informed by Adelaziz that the stifling customs system would be done away with, fulfilling a major demand of traders and industrialists.

    “Everyone who registers at the chambers will be able to import the goods they want into the market, within a specific system,” he said.

    Reuters spoke to four prominent Syrian businessmen who said the message from the new authorities appeared encouraging and a far cry from a system that had been heavily controlled by a small cohort of loyalist businessmen close to the Assads.

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