Genocide will happen no matter how you vote. One option will lead to more genocide than the other. The rest of the options are not options under our current political system. If you do not vote for less genocide, including by not voting at all, you are voting for genocide.
If choosing the lesser evil still ends up at the most evil act someone can commit, was it ever really lesser evil? Or just slower, easier to ignore evil?
There is no “most evil act”. There is ALWAYS a way to make it worse. We need to take every possible step to make things better. And “better” doesn’t always mean “good”. Sometimes it just means "slightly slower slide to horrifically bad.
Biden is only choosing to commit genocide because he thinks he can win without my vote because of people like you enabling him, promising to vote blue no matter who. It is your fault that the uncommitted campaign and campus occupations and our voices have failed to push Biden on this issue. I recently listened to Hind Rajab’s call with The Palestinian Red Crescent Society again because of a new documentary on Al Jazeera (“The Night Won’t End”) and I want to fucking die. This is your fault. Own it.
I voted against him in the primaries and push for ranked choice voting. Unfortunately besides general unrest which will pressure biden but bolster Trump (who is NOW campaigning on crushing us for protesting the state of the war) we are acting too little too late. Maybe general unrest AFTER the election and if cooler heads don’t prevail might actually help.
He is not a legitimate candidate for president. It’s trump or Biden, no question asked.
You can vote for one or the other, and your non (or third party) vote will have implicit favor, depending on your location, regardless of your intent.
The primaries are over, pick trump or Biden. You get nothin else. Any ideological opinion on the value of voting or nonvoting ( moral or systemic) are moot, as the system is already constrained to 2 outcomes.
Edit if you are not a Christian nationalist, any action you take that does not competitively keep trump out of office is against your interests. If your vote doesn’t matter because you are in a very blue place, you choose nonvoting out of privilege, and therefore put at risk neighbors at risk due to your lax conduct.
He already cast his vote. Answer my question: did he vote for genocide?
The primaries are over, pick trump or Biden. You get nothin else. Any ideological opinion on the value of voting or nonvoting ( moral or systemic) are moot, as the system is already constrained to 2 outcomes.
This is not an ideological choice and this is not frivolous moralism. This is strategic.
If Biden understood that he will lose if he doesn’t end the genocide then he will do anything he has to do in order to stay in power because he’s a politician. It’s plainly obvious that we have already pushed him on this issue and if we stay the course we can force him to capitulate to our demands. The only reason Biden has not already ended his support for the genocide is because of you blue-no-matter-whos doing everything you can to convince his team that he can have his genocidal cake and eat it too.
If we were actually fucking united on this issue he would fold like wet cardboard! If his rallies were filled with protesters instead of blue-no-matter-whos chanting “four more years!” he would understand. He’s not a demon. He’s a politician.
You stopped the uncommitted movement from succeeding. You stopped the campus protests from succeeding. Your fault.
By refusing to stand with us all you are doing is ensuring the genocide will continue, either under Biden or under Trump.
I don’t want Trump president either, but if Biden does not stop he is going to lose.
And so I have to use the only leverage I have to force Biden to stop supporting and carrying out genocide. If anti-Trump voters actually want to stop Trump then y’all need to understand that Trump is going to win because of the genocide. The people who don’t support genocide will not vote for Biden and the people who love genocide will vote for Trump, it’s lose lose.
We have to force Biden to move on this issue or he’s doomed. It’s not about anyone’s feelings or emotions or what you truly want in your heart. Like I said, this is strategic. We are in a constrained system, this is the only strategy we have.
Or is your plan to help Biden win just to scream at people who won’t vote for genocide?
I fully get what you are saying, and I wish I believed that we had the leverage that you think we do. But, I think Netanyahu actively wants Trump in power, and I don’t think Biden has the power or ability to really do anything to stop him. It’s not just Netanyahu either, it’s Putin, Farage, Erdogan, Meloni, Le Pen, Orban, and all the other conservative/fascist leaders out there. And as bad as Biden is, a Trump victory is 10x worse. I don’t think Netanyahu would have pulled any of this shit if there was no chance for Trump. I honestly think that by threatening Biden, you just emboldened Netanyahu to do even worse. The greater the atrocities that get committed, the more likely that Trump wins, then he’ll have free reign to really do whatever he wants. Sounds like a win-win for Netanyahu.
If we were actually fucking united on this issue he would fold like wet cardboard! If his rallies were filled with protesters instead of blue-no-matter-whos chanting “four more years!” he would understand. He’s not a demon. He’s a politician.
This is just naive. Protesting against Biden’s Middle East policies is basically kids threatening to run away from home if their parents don’t buy them what they want.
Of course Biden is never going to say this because, again, he’s a politician and has a public image to keep, but he could literally reply to said protestors “Or else? You gonna let Trump win and do worse? Yeah right, now shut up and vote for me”, and they would have absolutely nothing to answer.
That’s how two-party systems work. You identify the worse outcome and vote for the other one. The only way to force the second-worst party to get better is to force the actual worst one to do it first.
Protesting against Biden’s Middle East policies is basically kids threatening to run away from home if their parents don’t buy them what they want.
They’re grown adults choosing to be violently beaten by cops and vigilantes for their beliefs. Have some fucking respect.
Of course Biden is never going to say this because, again, he’s a politician and has a public image to keep, but he could literally reply to said protestors “Or else? You gonna let Trump win and do worse? Yeah right, now shut up and vote for me”, and they would have absolutely nothing to answer.
You’re contradicting yourself.
He’s a politician and has a public image to keep because he can’t just say shit like that, because he’s not actually invincible. Your cynicism is understandable, you’ve convinced yourself there’s nothing you can do so the guilt doesn’t eat you alive, but the truth is that Biden is vulnerable to public image because he still wants to be reelected. If he really believed that he was going to lose because of his support for genocide then he would change his policies. He can be pushed. You refuse to try because you’re scared.
Where am I contradicting myself exactly? He has a public image to keep, so he can’t openly say that. But he very much can act accordingly anyway, and that’s what he’s doing. Because he knows we have no viable alternative and anyone who seriously cares about minimizing casualties (so apparently not you) will not risk Trump getting reelected over some moral superiority that means nothing. He’s never going to lose over his support for genocide because you literally can’t vote against it. That’s how two-party systems work, period. The only reasons he can possibly lose over are differences between his agenda and his opponent’s, and genocide is unfortunately not one of those.
You’re the one trying to avoid guilt so that when a genocide-enabling candidate inevitably gets elected you can say to yourself “well at least I didn’t vote for them!”.
Idiotic take. They all run on gasoline, so therefore clearly Saudi Arabia is to blame! But wait combustion also needs oxygen! It’s the tree’s fault! Don’t vote for the trees!
Sure, they could get bombs and ammo elsewhere, but we’re the ones with the hardware and we’re also the only country that can supply Israel at the volume they need. No one else can make bombs as fast as the US and Israel’s own officials have openly said this. Also? Where the fuck else are they going to get $18 billion in F-15s? Why don’t you seem to know this stuff?
That doesn’t even get into the way the US has been protecting Israel from Ansar Alla in the Red Sea and has pledged to protect them from Hezbollah if they invade Lebanon.
You’re not in Gaza fighting the IDF, and you aren’t voting for the candidate that will do the most to mitigate The Genocide™, so it seems like you’re actively choosing more genocide. I’ll never understand you genocide enthusiasts, absolutely heartless.
Mitigation is a relative term. Biden’s policies are going a long way to mitigate harm done compared to Trump’s. You may not like it, but that’s reality.
Not actively doing worse than someone else is mitigation now?
i was about to go “i guess burning forests is ok too as long as i point out someone worse”, but mothers and fathers are already crying over their dismembered kids in gaza, and the other way too.
Lol, good news is that both of us are doing the same amount to stop the invasion of Gaza right now. However, I’m advocating for deescalation in the future and harm reduction. Maybe even a Palestinian state of their own. You on the other hand are advocating for more genocide and an escalation of the conflict, complete with Israeli condos on the beach in Gaza.
A fun fact about me, I’m also opposed to the Uyghur genocide being carried put by China, as well as the Ukrainian and Rohingya genocides being directly enabled by China. Curiously you only seem to be opposed to genocide if it’s a political liability for Joe Biden and can be used to get Trump elected. I wonder why that is.
You’re not actually doing anything to prevent or mitigate genocide. You can pretend you’re anti-genocide all day long, but at the end of the day you’re doing absolutely nothing about it. And the one thing you can do to mitigate, vote for the candidate that is calling for restraint, you’re refusing to do.
So you say you’re anti-genocide but your actions are 100% pro-genocide. You can lie to yourself but that doesn’t change reality.
You’re not voting for a president of a country, who has a relationship with another country that acts in its own interests and independence from the rest of the world.
America is not the boss of the world, not the global authority, and no longer a beacon of progress and forward thinking. Israel is its own country, that brought something from another country for its own use. Another country’s decisions are their own - its not America’s fault any more than any other western country or arms producer… weapons aren’t manufactured and sold to be kind.
I’m not voting for genocide.
Genocide will happen no matter how you vote. One option will lead to more genocide than the other. The rest of the options are not options under our current political system. If you do not vote for less genocide, including by not voting at all, you are voting for genocide.
If choosing the lesser evil still ends up at the most evil act someone can commit, was it ever really lesser evil? Or just slower, easier to ignore evil?
There is no “most evil act”. There is ALWAYS a way to make it worse. We need to take every possible step to make things better. And “better” doesn’t always mean “good”. Sometimes it just means "slightly slower slide to horrifically bad.
Genocide is the Crime of Crimes.
Biden is only choosing to commit genocide because he thinks he can win without my vote because of people like you enabling him, promising to vote blue no matter who. It is your fault that the uncommitted campaign and campus occupations and our voices have failed to push Biden on this issue. I recently listened to Hind Rajab’s call with The Palestinian Red Crescent Society again because of a new documentary on Al Jazeera (“The Night Won’t End”) and I want to fucking die. This is your fault. Own it.
Trump is also choosing genocide because he can hope for people like you not to vote against him.
There won’t be any people in Gaza left to kill by 2025 if Biden doesn’t stop the genocide.
That’s your fault
I voted against him in the primaries and push for ranked choice voting. Unfortunately besides general unrest which will pressure biden but bolster Trump (who is NOW campaigning on crushing us for protesting the state of the war) we are acting too little too late. Maybe general unrest AFTER the election and if cooler heads don’t prevail might actually help.
There is no “after the election” for the people in Gaza. If this war is ongoing by January they’ll all be dead.
Biden is already crushing us for protesting the war! Trump is late to the party.
This is the part they don’t understand. We’re done with their shit.
Yeah you are
Did Aaron Bushnell vote for genocide?
He is not a legitimate candidate for president. It’s trump or Biden, no question asked.
You can vote for one or the other, and your non (or third party) vote will have implicit favor, depending on your location, regardless of your intent.
The primaries are over, pick trump or Biden. You get nothin else. Any ideological opinion on the value of voting or nonvoting ( moral or systemic) are moot, as the system is already constrained to 2 outcomes.
Edit if you are not a Christian nationalist, any action you take that does not competitively keep trump out of office is against your interests. If your vote doesn’t matter because you are in a very blue place, you choose nonvoting out of privilege, and therefore put at risk neighbors at risk due to your lax conduct.
He already cast his vote. Answer my question: did he vote for genocide?
This is not an ideological choice and this is not frivolous moralism. This is strategic.
If Biden understood that he will lose if he doesn’t end the genocide then he will do anything he has to do in order to stay in power because he’s a politician. It’s plainly obvious that we have already pushed him on this issue and if we stay the course we can force him to capitulate to our demands. The only reason Biden has not already ended his support for the genocide is because of you blue-no-matter-whos doing everything you can to convince his team that he can have his genocidal cake and eat it too.
If we were actually fucking united on this issue he would fold like wet cardboard! If his rallies were filled with protesters instead of blue-no-matter-whos chanting “four more years!” he would understand. He’s not a demon. He’s a politician.
You stopped the uncommitted movement from succeeding. You stopped the campus protests from succeeding. Your fault.
By refusing to stand with us all you are doing is ensuring the genocide will continue, either under Biden or under Trump.
Meh, you (and I) are in a constrained system. Any other words on choice are fluff.
You’re ascribing emotions to something that has none. You’re ascribing motive to someone you dont even know.
Thus far edit ive only declared I don’t want trump president. You don’t know my choices beyond that.
I don’t want Trump president either, but if Biden does not stop he is going to lose.
And so I have to use the only leverage I have to force Biden to stop supporting and carrying out genocide. If anti-Trump voters actually want to stop Trump then y’all need to understand that Trump is going to win because of the genocide. The people who don’t support genocide will not vote for Biden and the people who love genocide will vote for Trump, it’s lose lose.
We have to force Biden to move on this issue or he’s doomed. It’s not about anyone’s feelings or emotions or what you truly want in your heart. Like I said, this is strategic. We are in a constrained system, this is the only strategy we have.
Or is your plan to help Biden win just to scream at people who won’t vote for genocide?
Because that’s doomed to fail. This is what you are voting for.
I fully get what you are saying, and I wish I believed that we had the leverage that you think we do. But, I think Netanyahu actively wants Trump in power, and I don’t think Biden has the power or ability to really do anything to stop him. It’s not just Netanyahu either, it’s Putin, Farage, Erdogan, Meloni, Le Pen, Orban, and all the other conservative/fascist leaders out there. And as bad as Biden is, a Trump victory is 10x worse. I don’t think Netanyahu would have pulled any of this shit if there was no chance for Trump. I honestly think that by threatening Biden, you just emboldened Netanyahu to do even worse. The greater the atrocities that get committed, the more likely that Trump wins, then he’ll have free reign to really do whatever he wants. Sounds like a win-win for Netanyahu.
I don’t think he has the willingness to stop selling weapons to Netanyahu.
This is just naive. Protesting against Biden’s Middle East policies is basically kids threatening to run away from home if their parents don’t buy them what they want.
Of course Biden is never going to say this because, again, he’s a politician and has a public image to keep, but he could literally reply to said protestors “Or else? You gonna let Trump win and do worse? Yeah right, now shut up and vote for me”, and they would have absolutely nothing to answer.
That’s how two-party systems work. You identify the worse outcome and vote for the other one. The only way to force the second-worst party to get better is to force the actual worst one to do it first.
They’re grown adults choosing to be violently beaten by cops and vigilantes for their beliefs. Have some fucking respect.
You’re contradicting yourself.
He’s a politician and has a public image to keep because he can’t just say shit like that, because he’s not actually invincible. Your cynicism is understandable, you’ve convinced yourself there’s nothing you can do so the guilt doesn’t eat you alive, but the truth is that Biden is vulnerable to public image because he still wants to be reelected. If he really believed that he was going to lose because of his support for genocide then he would change his policies. He can be pushed. You refuse to try because you’re scared.
Where am I contradicting myself exactly? He has a public image to keep, so he can’t openly say that. But he very much can act accordingly anyway, and that’s what he’s doing. Because he knows we have no viable alternative and anyone who seriously cares about minimizing casualties (so apparently not you) will not risk Trump getting reelected over some moral superiority that means nothing. He’s never going to lose over his support for genocide because you literally can’t vote against it. That’s how two-party systems work, period. The only reasons he can possibly lose over are differences between his agenda and his opponent’s, and genocide is unfortunately not one of those.
You’re the one trying to avoid guilt so that when a genocide-enabling candidate inevitably gets elected you can say to yourself “well at least I didn’t vote for them!”.
Good, don’t vote for Netanyahu
Our bombs. Our jets. Our tanks.
Idiotic take. They all run on gasoline, so therefore clearly Saudi Arabia is to blame! But wait combustion also needs oxygen! It’s the tree’s fault! Don’t vote for the trees!
Israel literally couldn’t get this equipment anywhere else. We’re the only one that could give them the weapons they need.
🤣 🤣 🤣 Riiiiiight we’re the only weapons manufacturer in the world!! Kid, you really have no idea what you are talking about.
Sure, they could get bombs and ammo elsewhere, but we’re the ones with the hardware and we’re also the only country that can supply Israel at the volume they need. No one else can make bombs as fast as the US and Israel’s own officials have openly said this. Also? Where the fuck else are they going to get $18 billion in F-15s? Why don’t you seem to know this stuff?
That doesn’t even get into the way the US has been protecting Israel from Ansar Alla in the Red Sea and has pledged to protect them from Hezbollah if they invade Lebanon.
You’re not in Gaza fighting the IDF, and you aren’t voting for the candidate that will do the most to mitigate The Genocide™, so it seems like you’re actively choosing more genocide. I’ll never understand you genocide enthusiasts, absolutely heartless.
Biden is not mitigating the genocide.
Mitigation is a relative term. Biden’s policies are going a long way to mitigate harm done compared to Trump’s. You may not like it, but that’s reality.
There might not be anyone left in Gaza by the next presidential term.
Not actively doing worse than someone else is mitigation now?
i was about to go “i guess burning forests is ok too as long as i point out someone worse”, but mothers and fathers are already crying over their dismembered kids in gaza, and the other way too.
What a weird non-sequitur comment
Says the person advocating for the guy supplying the genocide with weapons.
Lol, good news is that both of us are doing the same amount to stop the invasion of Gaza right now. However, I’m advocating for deescalation in the future and harm reduction. Maybe even a Palestinian state of their own. You on the other hand are advocating for more genocide and an escalation of the conflict, complete with Israeli condos on the beach in Gaza.
A fun fact about me, I’m also opposed to the Uyghur genocide being carried put by China, as well as the Ukrainian and Rohingya genocides being directly enabled by China. Curiously you only seem to be opposed to genocide if it’s a political liability for Joe Biden and can be used to get Trump elected. I wonder why that is.
Anti-genocide is pro-genocide, pro-genocide is anti-genocide and other Newspeak brought you by the crafty narrative-spinning minds at BlueAnon.
You’re not actually doing anything to prevent or mitigate genocide. You can pretend you’re anti-genocide all day long, but at the end of the day you’re doing absolutely nothing about it. And the one thing you can do to mitigate, vote for the candidate that is calling for restraint, you’re refusing to do.
So you say you’re anti-genocide but your actions are 100% pro-genocide. You can lie to yourself but that doesn’t change reality.
You’re not voting for a president of a country, who has a relationship with another country that acts in its own interests and independence from the rest of the world.
America is not the boss of the world, not the global authority, and no longer a beacon of progress and forward thinking. Israel is its own country, that brought something from another country for its own use. Another country’s decisions are their own - its not America’s fault any more than any other western country or arms producer… weapons aren’t manufactured and sold to be kind.
Biden chose to sell them weapons that he knew would be used for genocide. That’s not Netanyahu’s choice.
If the US stopped providing bombs they’d run out of bombs. Israeli officials have literally said this!
Biden went around congress to ship weapons to Israel bud. He’s the bad guy too.
Good for you! ⭐ Here’s your star, move along