my conversation with every single chrome user for the past decade
there is no red line, there is no amount of google fuckery they won’t tolerate, they are utterly broken, the pathetic depths they plumb are only rivaled by windows users
i just finally fully dumped chrome! firefox all the way now, not just as a “primary” browser.
next PC build or overhaul and i dump windows as well. in between going to work on “de-googling” completely
hell yeah!
Not even being able to uninstall without first agreeing to the terms is wild.
That’s a good reason to use an operating system that will never turn over control to a software vendor.
I speak of gnu/linux, of course. Or any of the BSDs. Or any other unix variant. It’s true that there is a ton of proprietary software out there that won’t run on those, but it’s almost always from exploitative companies like Adobe who should be run out of business.
u def know this already, but for windows/mac users reading: there are FOSS alternatives of like everything. im new to linux but i found okular is a good alt for acrobat and even supports digital signatures. and ive heard gimp can be altered to have the same layout as photoshop
I’m having a real bear of a time finding a FLOSS animation program with tweening etc. that does not suck ass.
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Im too using gimp (even made a small tutorial for some folks) and okular ob my win10 laptop. Almost all of my laptop runs on open source programs (probably apart from some one or two pirated games). I’ll probably fully switch to debian next year.😅
It’s so liberating using open source programs and os.😌
so it’s malware
This is actually fucking insane. Like I get that it’s so they can sell your work for generative tool training sets, but it also just lets them straight up sell your work and license it as they please? I can’t see this going unchallenged legally. Adobe’s software is practically load-bearing in creative industries. The idea that all the moneyed interests involved would just lay down and say, “sure you’ve got rights to our movie now,” just doesn’t make any sense at all.
To add, every time adobe updates it’s software the cybersecurity team releases a bulletin about it being vulnerable to a bunch of exploits. So they’re updating us with broken crap, and this is just the PDF readers and editors.
Between the constant shuffle of security concerns and the stupid licensing, the IT department gave up and moved on to foxit.
Looks like the pirates were right once again (they always have been)
No they aren’t, the “pirates” are freeloaders who help these companies abuse more people by endorsing the software via its use.
The actual volunteers and activists continually developing software that respects your freedom are doing the actual heroic shit here. Not some rando in Brazil who found a cracked copy of a program and hosts a tracker.
In fact, “piracy” helps these companies more than they hinder.
I never thought i would see an unironic usage of the word freeloader on this fucking website, against people who pirate software of all people???
I asked people to consider how “piracy” can actually help establish corporate dominance of proprietary software or at the very least not challenge it.
You want to talk about “deeply unserious” since you’ve taken it there? Piracy is a deeply unserious term. No one is stealing anything. It’s just copying the program and distributing it in violation of the program’s license as well as cracking or breaking whatever DRM or copyright protection mechanism may be built into the program. It’s done out of cost, breaking anti-user DRM or for the crackers own profit. Piracy was created as a term to serve the purpose of doing what you think I’m doing with my “freeloader” remark: ostracizing people and punishing them.
If you’re going to tell me that “it’s reclaimed” or “everyone uses it so its okay” then this conversation is over because I have nothing more to say to that.
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The actual volunteers and activists continually developing software that respects your freedom are doing the actual heroic shit here.
Yes FOSS is good and should be supported, but claming someone who is pirating a copy of Adobe is perpetuating abuse is batshit. Supporting an open source project requires specific knowledge and/or money, pirating Adobe and using a wholly separate skillset to pay your bills is morally neutral at worst. Personally I would argue, it’s good actually.
“I can’t support this FOSS project because I’m broke and don’t know how the fuck to code, and I also I can’t use this stolen copy of Adobe because someone might find out, guess I’ll starve” doesn’t make any sense.
Maybe I shouldn’t have chosen those words, but what I was getting at was that people who use cracked copies of nonfree software still contribute to that software’s growth. I didn’t mean for that to attack anyone in particular. Piracy is a corporate, anti user term and we should stop using it. Adobe banks on both paying and non-paying customers and you aren’t hurting them at all by using cracked/unlawful copies. It’s still a network effect, the more people who use Adobe will lead to more and more people using it.
Supporting an open source project requires specific knowledge and/or money,
Or just using and learning about it. You don’t need to be a programmer to contribute to projects but saying this makes it seem that way. Using free software over proprietary software is praxis just by itself. I’m not naive enough to say that’s always possible, but it’s the only way to prevent further harm.
I can’t support this FOSS project because I’m broke and don’t know how the fuck to code, and I also I can’t use this stolen copy of Adobe because someone might find out, guess I’ll starve" doesn’t make any sense.
This is an overexaggeration of what I said. Generally speaking, we can contribute/partipate in systems of abuse out of necessity or without meaning to. Also no one is saying you should starve stop being dramatic we aren’t fucking redditors.
I’'m not condemning those who are forced to use Adobe for their livlihood (or at least I didn’t wish to). I was pushing back on the shallow narrative that “piracy” is the end all be all and not thinking about how they still can contribute to the issue.
I didn’t mean this as a personal attack on anyone (unless maybe to people who call themselves software pirates, which is cringe imo) and I’m sorry if it came out that way.
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Seconded. Piracy of closed-source commercial software locks you into their ecosystem, and makes you dependent on their tools, which, if you want to start making money from content made with those tools, requires you to buy a license or get sued to oblivion.
im a 3D artist, I work with maya, substance and mari, I depend on studios offering me work to make a living. So according to you guys I’m supposed to go up to my fucking Lead and tell him, “I no longer wish to be dependent on Autodesk, Foundry and Adobe’s ecosystems and will now exclusively use Gimp and Blender.” I suddenly have to throw away years of built up skills on pirated stuff because ackshually piracy is just as bad as enabling the software through a studio’s licensed versions if you end up working for one? What the fuck?
Deeply unserious take and completely divorced from reality, sure I could try freelance using Blender but I probably wouldn’t make it because successful Blender artists are more influencers than actual professionals, and my social media presence is barely measurable.
Nobody is asking you to throw away your livlihood and put yourself at risk. Don’t take this as a personal attack on you and your circumstances.
You just proved my point as well. You spent years on pirated copies of proprietary programs and now you are trapped into using their products. Even if you break the DRM and obtain a cracked copy, you are still at their mercy and now that you are working you have little to no time to find a solution. Can you at least acknowledge that before calling me and others divorced from reality and deeply unserious?
Let me put it this way, even if you pirate software, you are still victimized in the end.
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Pirates:
when pirating software is a better experience than paying thousands of dollars per year for it.
Pirates are losers. Unless they also support FOSS, they’re just perpetuating the cycle of abuse.
Why would anyone agree to that?
Solely for the purposes of operating or improving the Services and Software, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free sublicensable, license, to use, reproduce, publicly display, distribute, modify, create derivative works based on, publicly perform, and translate the Content. For example, we may sublicense our right to the Content to our service providers or to other users to allow the Services and Software to operate with others, such as enabling you to share photos.
Like they add the “improving the Services and Software” caveat as though they aren’t going to use this to feed their shitty AI slop machine
Knowing Hellworld, this will somehow be allowed. Knowing how much Liberals slobber over IP protections, this will not be allowed.
So it’ll be like every other EULA, full of blatantly illegal and unenforceable shit that the average user has to be subject to but Big Company My Dad Gave Me will be able to get around it.
Wouldn’t it be in the companies’ best interest to start funding existing FOSS alternatives so they can still exclusively own their content?
They should have done that ten years ago. Blender-tier alternatives would have been nice to have.
Blender-tier Kdenlive would have been a major game changer
It is. It was literally pointed out since the 80s by the free software movement that libre software would be in everyone, including corpos, best interest.
But failsons and VC ghouls created the circlejerk known as Silicon Valley and sucessfully pushed the idea of freedom away from peoples heads.
We have content at work that contains patient PII which needs to be censored before publication. Agreeing to these terms would be a HIPAA violation. I know this isn’t a unique use case either.
lol
Nationalize Creative Suite
Unfortunately none of that comes close to what I need
Pirated offline photoshop does, though
Understandable. Sometimes professionals need the best at any cost.
What is it you need (curious)?
Heavy user of Photoshop and indesign. Affinity photo and publisher are promising, but I need Adobe compatibility because this is hell world and I need to interface with the devil.
Adobe compatibility
GIMP and Krita support .psd files and it looks like Inkscape does with a plugin.
They can have very basic compatability but for things like adjustment layers and smart objects nothing that isn’t Photoshop will work very well. They also lack raw processing. Every open source raw editor I’ve tried is barely usable as well (though there is other proprietary software which is comparable to Adobe on that front).
Even affinity wouldn’t be possible for me to use because everyone I need to give and receive files from would need Adobe files, and the possibility for something, even a little detail to not work because of a comparability issue would be a deal breaker and major pain in the ass.
Good to know! Thanks for the detailed explanation. I like learning about creative software.
Gimp works fine and Inkscape is genuinely nice.
GIMP needs to change the fucking name. If even Coq, the math nerds, can get their shit together enough to change their name to Rocq because Coq sounds rude (and is especially awkward for women to say in professional contexts) in a language that is not the primary language of the creators nor significant proportion of the userbase, then surely the GIMP people can find it in their hearts to do similar.
Rocq out with your Coq out
Glimpse tried and got harassed out of the scene because we can never have nice things made by nice people. I am still very upset about it.
Damn, didn’t know about that https://news.itsfoss.com/glimpse-gimp-fork-archived/
This article’s headline (and that one it links at the beginning, ugh…) is sort of exemplary of what the biggest problem was.
GIMP’s ‘Woke’ Fork Glimpse is Getting Discontinued
Never once was it advertised as this lmfao. There are tickets as far back as at least a decade that mention changing the name, and the official response of the GIMP maintainers is always “fork it if you want, we’re not changing it upstream”. So someone finally does that and…well, apparently it’s woke or something, what’s the big deal, how dare you, etcetera. Clown shit.
I actually spoke to Bobby Moss myself sometime last year about reviving this thru another fork that I would maintain and from what I remember it sounded like people were were very passionate and excited about the original project and were ready to devote time to it. The non-code labor was brought up as an issue, but it seemed to me the far, far bigger problem was the responses to it being totally bonkers hostile for something so innocuous as a forked project…he made very clear that what I would be adopting was years of baggage and that they still got sent harassment and threats about it for ever having existed. I never wound up doing it, but I still think about it sometimes. The whole story is such crap and makes me see red every time I think about it. The free software movement’s reputation can be a little unfairly exaggerated from the less-involved crowd for all the important work that’s done (imo), and then this shit happens and I remember, “yep, you’re all still a bunch of dumbass self-important children all right.” Just infuriating.
Damn that’s frustrating. Well, it really is about who can pull the largest volunteer labor force since there’s no way to really unseat people who are that entrenched in project leadership for a given release channel.
GIMP’s dev team are the living embodiment of “not invented here”. Whether code, suggestions, or basic public relations concepts like not using a slur for their software’s name, they are among the most stubborn and most close-minded people in the entire free software/open source world.
krita is my personal preferred program
