GIMP needs to change the fucking name. If even Coq, the math nerds, can get their shit together enough to change their name to Rocq because Coq sounds rude (and is especially awkward for women to say in professional contexts) in a language that is not the primary language of the creators nor significant proportion of the userbase, then surely the GIMP people can find it in their hearts to do similar.
This article’s headline (and that one it links at the beginning, ugh…) is sort of exemplary of what the biggest problem was.
GIMP’s ‘Woke’ Fork Glimpse is Getting Discontinued
Never once was it advertised as this lmfao. There are tickets as far back as at least a decade that mention changing the name, and the official response of the GIMP maintainers is always “fork it if you want, we’re not changing it upstream”. So someone finally does that and…well, apparently it’s woke or something, what’s the big deal, how dare you, etcetera. Clown shit.
I actually spoke to Bobby Moss myself sometime last year about reviving this thru another fork that I would maintain and from what I remember it sounded like people were were very passionate and excited about the original project and were ready to devote time to it. The non-code labor was brought up as an issue, but it seemed to me the far, far bigger problem was the responses to it being totally bonkers hostile for something so innocuous as a forked project…he made very clear that what I would be adopting was years of baggage and that they still got sent harassment and threats about it for ever having existed. I never wound up doing it, but I still think about it sometimes. The whole story is such crap and makes me see red every time I think about it. The free software movement’s reputation can be a little unfairly exaggerated from the less-involved crowd for all the important work that’s done (imo), and then this shit happens and I remember, “yep, you’re all still a bunch of dumbass self-important children all right.” Just infuriating.
Damn that’s frustrating. Well, it really is about who can pull the largest volunteer labor force since there’s no way to really unseat people who are that entrenched in project leadership for a given release channel.
GIMP’s dev team are the living embodiment of “not invented here”. Whether code, suggestions, or basic public relations concepts like not using a slur for their software’s name, they are among the most stubborn and most close-minded people in the entire free software/open source world.
GIMP needs to change the fucking name. If even Coq, the math nerds, can get their shit together enough to change their name to Rocq because Coq sounds rude (and is especially awkward for women to say in professional contexts) in a language that is not the primary language of the creators nor significant proportion of the userbase, then surely the GIMP people can find it in their hearts to do similar.
Rocq out with your Coq out
Glimpse tried and got harassed out of the scene because we can never have nice things made by nice people. I am still very upset about it.
Damn, didn’t know about that https://news.itsfoss.com/glimpse-gimp-fork-archived/
This article’s headline (and that one it links at the beginning, ugh…) is sort of exemplary of what the biggest problem was.
Never once was it advertised as this lmfao. There are tickets as far back as at least a decade that mention changing the name, and the official response of the GIMP maintainers is always “fork it if you want, we’re not changing it upstream”. So someone finally does that and…well, apparently it’s woke or something, what’s the big deal, how dare you, etcetera. Clown shit.
I actually spoke to Bobby Moss myself sometime last year about reviving this thru another fork that I would maintain and from what I remember it sounded like people were were very passionate and excited about the original project and were ready to devote time to it. The non-code labor was brought up as an issue, but it seemed to me the far, far bigger problem was the responses to it being totally bonkers hostile for something so innocuous as a forked project…he made very clear that what I would be adopting was years of baggage and that they still got sent harassment and threats about it for ever having existed. I never wound up doing it, but I still think about it sometimes. The whole story is such crap and makes me see red every time I think about it. The free software movement’s reputation can be a little unfairly exaggerated from the less-involved crowd for all the important work that’s done (imo), and then this shit happens and I remember, “yep, you’re all still a bunch of dumbass self-important children all right.” Just infuriating.
Damn that’s frustrating. Well, it really is about who can pull the largest volunteer labor force since there’s no way to really unseat people who are that entrenched in project leadership for a given release channel.
GIMP’s dev team are the living embodiment of “not invented here”. Whether code, suggestions, or basic public relations concepts like not using a slur for their software’s name, they are among the most stubborn and most close-minded people in the entire free software/open source world.