In 1989, blowback was swift; alienation today is ‘systematic, progressive, long-term.’

China’s 1989 crackdown on pro-democracy activists sparked a seminal crisis in Beijing’s relationship with the West. On the massacre’s 35th anniversary, China’s leaders face familiar international blowback over their conduct.

Instead of gunfire, today’s sources of discomfort about China are a mix of its aggressive industrial policy and militarization toward neighbors, plus a national-security agenda from Chinese leader Xi Jinping that has curtailed personal freedoms at home and shaped affairs abroad.

  • DMBFFF@lemmy.worldEnglish
    71·
    5 months ago

    I just pulled this out from WP:

    wp:Red August

    (my bold)

    Red August (simplified Chinese: 红八月; traditional Chinese: 紅八月; pinyin: Hóng Bāyuè) is a term used to indicate a period of political violence and massacres in Beijing beginning in August 1966, during the Cultural Revolution.[1][2][3] According to official statistics published in 1980 after the end of the Cultural Revolution, Red Guards in Beijing killed a total of 1,772 people during Red August, while 33,695 homes were ransacked and 85,196 families were forcibly displaced.[1][4][5] However, according to official statistics published in November 1985, the number of deaths in Beijing during Red August was 10,275.[5][6][7]

    This was back in Mao’s time.

    It seems that Communism killed those Chinese people.

    • Tryptaminev@lemm.eeEnglish
      313·
      5 months ago

      What kind of abstruse logic is this? Next thing you are going to say the people murdered in Gaza today are the victims of Christian crusaders.

      The victims under Mao were victims of communism. But it wasn’t Mao that committed the Tiananmen massacre. It was a state capitalist regime that was supported by the West.

      Why are you trying to spread disinformation about historical events?

      • DMBFFF@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        5 months ago

        Presumably,

        Mao self-identified as a Communist (or something like it) and is today defended by such.

        Deng self-identified as a Communist (or something like it) and is today defended by such (at least by many Chinese).

        Palestinians, Gazans, and Jews were victims of the Crusaders.

        • Tryptaminev@lemm.eeEnglish
          39·
          5 months ago

          And the Nazis called themselves national socialists. Doesn’t mean their economic policies had anything to do with socialism (quite to the contrary).

          Advertisment labels are not what to judge these things on, but concrete policies. And those were state capitalist in China and the reason for the protests and massacre. And they continue to this day.

          • DMBFFF@lemmy.worldEnglish
            31·
            5 months ago

            good point.

            though I think they were a little bit more socialist in the earlier years.

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            I don’t like any of them.

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            might as well throw this in:

            wp:Albanian–Chinese split

            By the early 1970s, however, Albanian disagreements with certain aspects of Chinese policy deepened as the visit of Nixon to China along with the Chinese announcement of the “Three Worlds Theory” produced strong apprehension in Albania’s leadership under Enver Hoxha. Hoxha saw in these events an emerging Chinese alliance with American imperialism and abandonment of proletarian internationalism.

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            The might have been the reasons, or some of the significant reasons, for the protest but I don’t think Mao would have tolerated them more than did Deng.