• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    Unironically yes, obviously I would refuse to participate in this baby murderer’s game. I’m not going to say, “Please only kill one baby,” I’m going to spit on his face and tell him to go to hell. And then he’s going to murder as many babies as he wants, as he was going to do anyway.

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      5 months ago

      The choice (even if the comparison really doesn’t fit) is between one person going to kill one baby and the other person killing five. You’re complicit if the second person wins because you’re more concerned with suckling on your own genitals about how smart and principled you are instead of dealing with reality.

      It’s really as simple as that, and no amount of your self-aggrandizing mental gymnastics are going to change that.

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        5 months ago

        You’re complicit if the second person wins

        If doing nothing for someone counts as support, then you can rest assured that Biden will have my support.

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        5 months ago

        You’re mostly correct, but there’s something I need to point out:

        Being “complicit” isn’t a feature of consequentialism, and it’s not a feature of the universe either. If you’re doing utility calculus (which here you are) factoring in whether you’ll be “complicit” essentially boils down to putting your self-image on the scales determining the lives of others.

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          5 months ago

          I don’t understand your last part, what do you mean with “projecting one’s self-image”?

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            5 months ago

            Placing one’s self image. It’s part of the scales metaphor.

            If you take into consideration if you are “complicit” you are using how you will think about yourself as a factor in the utility calculus. I suppose you’re also thinking about what how other people are perceiving you as well. Does that answer your question?

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      5 months ago

      I guess I just don’t understand why someone would do this. I mean if I had a gun I’d also just shoot the murderer, but assassination is “illegal” and “a federal crime” so unfortunately that’s not an option.

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        5 months ago

        In this hypothetical, because I refuse to give him the satisfaction of cooperating in any way. If he knows that he can get me to do things by threatening to kill babies, then I’m just encouraging him to threaten to kill babies.

        I’m not trying to “talk tough,” there are situations where I would cooperate with a hostage taker, but murdering babies is a red line, for me personally.