For the last 7 months, it’s been nonstop “Israel needs to destroy Hamas”, “Go into x and finish them”, “End Hamas!”
Putting aside the genocidal implications, the only response I can formulate to this is “And then what?” The whole world just watched you bomb civillians for half a year and then celebrate it. This isn’t going to end with one group being stamped out. What happens when the next Hamas pops up? And then the one after that? Then the one after that? Are they just buying time until they can properly declare war on Lebanon or something?
I thought the same thing, Hamas can never be defeated because even if every current member was eliminated a new one will emerge as they see their family murdered in front of them. The fact that people don’t realize this is incredibly frustrating. Some genuinely believe that Israel is sincere when they say their only goal is to eliminate Hamas and everything will be fine after that, how are people so easy to dupe?
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And yet there are still indigenous nations and peoples here fighting for their existence.
This is borderline patsoc talking point btw.
Can you elaborate? This got me thinking…
Is it bc patsocs use fatalism regarding the struggle of indigenous nations as an “argument” to oppose it? Or is it that its reproducing fatalism regarding a just struggle that needs our solidarity and “pessimism” isn’t helping?
(I hope I am not being insensitive. Pardon me if I don’t have the best read on this. I am not a USian and not super exposed to this and I know far too little about the topic)
I obviously agree that its important to stand in solidarity with the struggle of indigenous nations in the land under US occupation! But I too would think that the Zionist regime would be happy to have their settler colony achieve US levels of “completion” of their genocide (which I also don’t see happening, but that’s besides the point)
I don’t see a contradiction between both. It would simply mean that one deems the struggle against the US settler colony, the struggle for liberation, harder as of yet. Which seems to be an unfortunate but fair analysis or not?
It doesn’t mean anything, he thinks that patsocs = MAGA socialists, he is just insulting you. He thinks the most outrageous clips of right wing morons on twitch are all the same talking points as Midwestern Marx, who talks about how activists simultaneously shit on the settler state and gesture to the few progressive aspects of the outcome of the Revolutionary War.
It just goes to show you that “MAGA communists” are all feds shitcoating real discussion of the labor aristocracy and anti-imperialism.
That is a guy who added a tagline to the site about being drunk and high all day if you’re going to moderate! They just want the vibe of Hasan’s Twitch chat on their instance.
You’re making weak arguments for why “Israel”
cannotCAN (EDIT: lol fucked up the whole statement) exist long-term as a US proxy and settler project. It’s not that settler colonial projects are innately doomed. “Israel” is a project sustained through bitter sub-imperialist machinations and a tug of war with its US masters.The fact is their nuclear reactors are in range of those pesky Iranian missiles preceded by swarms of $200 drones whenever they want to take them out, and the colonists need their treats and their electricity to not run back to the US.
That’s what makes it funnier that this guy didn’t even try to push back against your argument and dismissed you as what he sees as “right deviationists”.
You may be confusing me wthe other person. I just piggybacked onto the discussion.
But yeah, my read was that settler colonial projects either manage to “complete” their genocide or end in liberation. But maybe there is an argument to be made that one shouldn’t view any settler colonial project as “finished” until it is liberated, that thought peaked my curiosity and prompted my question.
At the same time it still seems to me that a part of the analysis must be, that the US/Canada/Australia/… are more stable settler colonies than Israel.
Is your argument with the nuclear reactors about the stability? Or did I misinterpret that?
Yeah basically both of those. And I wasn’t leveling it as an accusation but it is a very common argument of chauvinists like PatSocs and liberals alike.
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