For the last 7 months, it’s been nonstop “Israel needs to destroy Hamas”, “Go into x and finish them”, “End Hamas!”
Putting aside the genocidal implications, the only response I can formulate to this is “And then what?” The whole world just watched you bomb civillians for half a year and then celebrate it. This isn’t going to end with one group being stamped out. What happens when the next Hamas pops up? And then the one after that? Then the one after that? Are they just buying time until they can properly declare war on Lebanon or something?
Hmm, concede all land to Israel, get ethnically cleansed anyway and see THOUSANDS of your brothers and sisters still
held hostagecaptured by Israel. No, it must be Hamas bad.deleted by creator
Hamas bad
Damn, can’t argue with the quality of this rhetoric. Guess I’ll just have to support the genocide.
kkkhhhhamas
I might be reading your title wrong so please forgive me if I do, but isn’t Rafah being invaded right now? I’ve seen TikTok’s and even tweets about how the borders are closed and tanks have rolled in.
The point being made, as i understand it, is that anyone who believes things along the lines of “just one more operation and it’s over” is either clueless or deluding themselves. Even if they wipe all of Gaza off the map that will not end the resistance, it will just make it grow even bigger even faster.
I thought the same thing, Hamas can never be defeated because even if every current member was eliminated a new one will emerge as they see their family murdered in front of them. The fact that people don’t realize this is incredibly frustrating. Some genuinely believe that Israel is sincere when they say their only goal is to eliminate Hamas and everything will be fine after that, how are people so easy to dupe?
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And yet there are still indigenous nations and peoples here fighting for their existence.
This is borderline patsoc talking point btw.
This is borderline patsoc talking point btw.
Can you elaborate? This got me thinking…
Is it bc patsocs use fatalism regarding the struggle of indigenous nations as an “argument” to oppose it? Or is it that its reproducing fatalism regarding a just struggle that needs our solidarity and “pessimism” isn’t helping?
(I hope I am not being insensitive. Pardon me if I don’t have the best read on this. I am not a USian and not super exposed to this and I know far too little about the topic)
I obviously agree that its important to stand in solidarity with the struggle of indigenous nations in the land under US occupation! But I too would think that the Zionist regime would be happy to have their settler colony achieve US levels of “completion” of their genocide (which I also don’t see happening, but that’s besides the point)
I don’t see a contradiction between both. It would simply mean that one deems the struggle against the US settler colony, the struggle for liberation, harder as of yet. Which seems to be an unfortunate but fair analysis or not?
It doesn’t mean anything, he thinks that patsocs = MAGA socialists, he is just insulting you. He thinks the most outrageous clips of right wing morons on twitch are all the same talking points as Midwestern Marx, who talks about how activists simultaneously shit on the settler state and gesture to the few progressive aspects of the outcome of the Revolutionary War.
It just goes to show you that “MAGA communists” are all feds shitcoating real discussion of the labor aristocracy and anti-imperialism.
That is a guy who added a tagline to the site about being drunk and high all day if you’re going to moderate! They just want the vibe of Hasan’s Twitch chat on their instance.
You’re making weak arguments for why “Israel”
cannotCAN (EDIT: lol fucked up the whole statement) exist long-term as a US proxy and settler project. It’s not that settler colonial projects are innately doomed. “Israel” is a project sustained through bitter sub-imperialist machinations and a tug of war with its US masters.The fact is their nuclear reactors are in range of those pesky Iranian missiles preceded by swarms of $200 drones whenever they want to take them out, and the colonists need their treats and their electricity to not run back to the US.
That’s what makes it funnier that this guy didn’t even try to push back against your argument and dismissed you as what he sees as “right deviationists”.
You may be confusing me wthe other person. I just piggybacked onto the discussion.
But yeah, my read was that settler colonial projects either manage to “complete” their genocide or end in liberation. But maybe there is an argument to be made that one shouldn’t view any settler colonial project as “finished” until it is liberated, that thought peaked my curiosity and prompted my question.
At the same time it still seems to me that a part of the analysis must be, that the US/Canada/Australia/… are more stable settler colonies than Israel.
Is your argument with the nuclear reactors about the stability? Or did I misinterpret that?
Is it bc patsocs use fatalism regarding the struggle of indigenous nations as an “argument” to oppose it? Or is it that its reproducing fatalism regarding a just struggle that needs our solidarity and “pessimism” isn’t helping?
Yeah basically both of those. And I wasn’t leveling it as an accusation but it is a very common argument of chauvinists like PatSocs and liberals alike.
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The only way to end “Hamas” forever is to kill every last Gazan. But even if they do that, this won’t end. Just escalate.
Even with the debellation of Hamas, the other Arab states along with whatever remnants can still oppose the Zionist Reich.
They mean what happens after.
Fascism needs an existential threat and people aren’t gonna just let this slide so even of they do “destroy Hamas” then what?
Tank you, this makes sense, I figured it was something similar.
Awww man, this fucking sucks.
During the Met Gala too, like what they did during the Oscars.
Isntrael is manifest destiny 2.0 but without the advantage of a disease like small pox that mostly harms the natives. The difference is that everyone has seen what they are and this time, the ethnofascist colony is going to be destroyed. That’s when this ends.
Realistically speaking, what’s probably going to happen during/after this Rafah invasion?
Either the neighboring Arabs decide they can’t stomach the murder of millions or they don’t.
It is plausible that the resistance is dueling with the neocolonists there.
Hamas has long ago offered the hostages in exchange for Palestinian hostages and Israel pretends to not understand the offer.
Offer rejected, nowhere for Netanyahu to stick his 50km golf course that just so happens to be planned to go where Gaza is.
The day isntrael stops expanding, it collapses. It’s economy depends on it. They can’t stop even if they wanted to. Even barring the recent conflict, they would have started some shit out of necessity. The fact they enjoy murdering is just a plus.
