I am not sure what argument you 2 are having but my perspective is that private property of any shape of form is but theft of the commons. And i don’t listen to (subjective) morally wrong.
Nuance is that personal property is as sacred as a someones physical body.
I believe there is a complex discussion to be had what defined personal versus private property. Naturally i have my own ideas (the place you eat sleep live and work is personal, the place you technically own on paper but never visited is not) but in the end we need to decide as a society where or values are and this is a conversation we really need to start having publicly.
We are all born on the same planet as all our ancestors. Why would your rights to it be any less then anyone else?
We are all born on the same planet as all our ancestors. Why would your rights to it be any less then anyone else?
Because money.
Those that have the money get to “own” the property, with ownership comes power, no capitalist/private property worshiper is ever going to willingly give that power up.
They wont give up the power to trample on our rights but there still our rights.
I am taking a natural rights perspective here, important to note cause i feel some people interpret “rights” as a system of a legal framework rather then natural justice
I think we only have rights when we have the “violence” to defend them. We need them to be part of a legal framework so that we can use state violence to enforce their existence, otherwise it’s just “might makes right” and no one has to respect what rights you think you have, nor will they if they stand in the way of profit. :(
State violence to enforce rights is what police is supposed to be now.
Human progress has gotten pretty far in understanding physical, but also psychological human needs and we are also rediscovering more and more things about our ecological biomes needs.
I believe that trough proper lifelong education we can come to realize a common understanding of respect for each other needs including their emotional bonds to for examples a house or a golden ring.
This cant possibly be a a one size fits all situation, equity over equality each according to their needs and capabilities.
This would probably rely on local trust within communities.
I think we would find that while all people are different we are globally similar enough in our needs and desires that once we get rid of central powers things wont be to different when going elsewhere. It be natural to respect the minor differences.
Sounds like sm tribalism hippy stuff but
what should not be forgotten that we have modern technology and the internet. Ideas can and are spreading globally.
Got no clue what your name is m or where you live but lemmy is proof that without corpos wher much more united.
Yes that is exactly what I’m talking about. Shame you don’t want to see it.
Acab but also, you can’t just do whatever you want and claim victim
I am not sure what argument you 2 are having but my perspective is that private property of any shape of form is but theft of the commons. And i don’t listen to (subjective) morally wrong.
Nuance is that personal property is as sacred as a someones physical body.
I believe there is a complex discussion to be had what defined personal versus private property. Naturally i have my own ideas (the place you eat sleep live and work is personal, the place you technically own on paper but never visited is not) but in the end we need to decide as a society where or values are and this is a conversation we really need to start having publicly.
We are all born on the same planet as all our ancestors. Why would your rights to it be any less then anyone else?
Because money.
Those that have the money get to “own” the property, with ownership comes power, no capitalist/private property worshiper is ever going to willingly give that power up.
They wont give up the power to trample on our rights but there still our rights.
I am taking a natural rights perspective here, important to note cause i feel some people interpret “rights” as a system of a legal framework rather then natural justice
I think we only have rights when we have the “violence” to defend them. We need them to be part of a legal framework so that we can use state violence to enforce their existence, otherwise it’s just “might makes right” and no one has to respect what rights you think you have, nor will they if they stand in the way of profit. :(
State violence to enforce rights is what police is supposed to be now.
Human progress has gotten pretty far in understanding physical, but also psychological human needs and we are also rediscovering more and more things about our ecological biomes needs.
I believe that trough proper lifelong education we can come to realize a common understanding of respect for each other needs including their emotional bonds to for examples a house or a golden ring.
This cant possibly be a a one size fits all situation, equity over equality each according to their needs and capabilities.
This would probably rely on local trust within communities.
I think we would find that while all people are different we are globally similar enough in our needs and desires that once we get rid of central powers things wont be to different when going elsewhere. It be natural to respect the minor differences.
Sounds like sm tribalism hippy stuff but what should not be forgotten that we have modern technology and the internet. Ideas can and are spreading globally.
Got no clue what your name is m or where you live but lemmy is proof that without corpos wher much more united.