I see this way too often here on Lemmy, so I want to post this. Starting a commune is legal in most countries. If you believe in communism, you can found a commune and show us all how great it is.

You lack money? Well, that is literally what stock markets and venture capitalists (capitalism) are created to solve. If you are ready for an IPO, you can sell shares to raise funds. If you are not, you can get Venture Capital in exchange for shares until you are ready for an IPO.

Getting rid of capitalism means you need to find a different way to obtain funding for new ventures. And if your system relies on government charity (some government board handing you money) or taking resources violently, than your system sucks.

Edit: I don’t mean that this is a replacement for full communist system. I mean this as a way to get some of the advantages while showing sceptics (like me) it can work and is better. A first step.

  • DreamlandLividity@lemmy.worldOP
    11·
    6 months ago

    the goal of an economy is not to produce endlessly, as much as possible. capitalism is extremely growth oriented. that’s about all it’s good for: rapid growth, at the expense of equity and workers’ autonomy. we no longer need this growth and competition; we need to downscale and produce less. the goal of an economy should be to provide what people need, as seamlessly as possible.

    The current GDP per capita is about $1,050 a month. That is before taxes, capital investment and amortization. If you believe we don’t need growth, that is what you should strive to live off of since that is your fair share.

    as always, this boils down to mistrust of your fellow man

    For a good reason:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/trans-adults-florida-blindsided-new-law-also-limits-access-health-care-rcna87723

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/23/doctors-abortion-medical-exemptions-00153317

    https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-attack-military-war-a8f63b07641212f0de61861844e5e71e

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/world/middleeast/iran-rapper-toomaj-salehi-death-sentence.html

    None of the above are related to Greed. Just needless cruelty.

    this system of incentives rewards whoever is most willing to act immorally to undercut their competitors, essentially guaranteeing that the least ethical individuals end up in charge of everything.

    This happens in any political system: https://youtu.be/rStL7niR7gs

    So tell me. Will you donate everything you earn above $1,050 to charity since it is above your fair share? If not, clearly people can’t be trusted to just cooperate fairly of their own free will.

    • redempt@lemmy.world
      11·
      6 months ago

      now you’re just putting words in my mouth. when did I ever say everyone has to give everything they have over “the average” away? it’s true we should strive for more equality, and I would be happy to pay a larger share to taxes for the public good rather than warfare, but you’re really not making good faith arguments anymore.

      if your faith in humanity is determined entirely by the people in charge, then you’re going to have no faith at all. so you’ve missed my point. these are not carried out by “the average person”. democracy can lead to less cruelty. it is not perfect, but it also helps if the population is not heavily propagandized and is well educated.

      I’m going to stop replying after this because I feel that you’re not addressing the points I’m making anymore.

      • DreamlandLividity@lemmy.worldOP
        11·
        6 months ago

        You are literally saying we don’t need bosses to tell us what to do and don’t need competition. That we can cooperate in good faith. Yet you think taking more than your fair share is not an issue for such a system?

        You are either delusional or you are trolling.

        Taking more than your fair share (average) is by definition competing.

        Also, I specifically picked events that are not mainly driven by the leaders but by the populace.