Don’t know why he wastes time criticizing him since JT doesn’t do anything wrong. Also really funny that him and other commenters are complaining about The Deprogram being like Chapo.
Upon deeper research, it turns out Day used to post on the subreddit to dunk on BadEmpanada, which is funny since Day himself has strong BadEmpanada vibes.
Because we live at the center of the imperial world where the first step is even getting people to think about things like they are an imperial system, let alone how we in the imperial core are getting fucked by that imperial system.
That being said, Day is completely correct here. But that doesn’t mean that JT is wrong.
We’ve been trying the succ dem slow pipeline for 200 years in the West and it hasn’t worked. Maybe it’s time for a different strategy than slowly “waking” up Liberals with social democracy, because all evidence shows that most just remain social democrats
Oh, and you’re saying a Maoist style insurgency has worked incredibly well in the imperial core as well?
None of these strategies have ‘worked’. But one of them gets people in the pipeline, the other doesn’t do jack diddly shit unless you are already there. Getting people to even think about this stuff critically at all is a win and if you don’t think it is, I highly suggest you go and talk to some people outside of the leftie political sphere, who have zero idea of what any of this shit is.
Where did I suggest Maoist insurgency? Is that really the only options in your view? Guerrilla war immediately or succ dem reformism?
The high water mark of leftism in the west was during the Great Depression when there was a large and powerful unionized working class involved in a central Marxist party, a party that worked with the global proletarian movements abroad. That is the style to emulate, not weatherman adventurism or Berniecrat social imperialism
No, I’m being flippant, which isn’t helpful. I’m sorry, I’ve been unnecessarily combative.
Reform or radicalism will not come until there is a consequential enough war-tien deprivation to actually affect the generalized working class in the U.S., whatever form it takes. Currently, modern unions will roll over if they receive even a portion of the pressure that they received in the 30’s. They can make all noise they want, which is good, but they are not going reach anything close to a ‘high water mark’ unless the actual historical material circumstances support it. They can and historically have, been bought off. Maybe it could support a previously unknown radicalism of MMT socdems, maybe it could support a core Maoist resurgence, maybe it could support a radical unionism. My personal belief is that it will come from emergent historical forms of organizations, but we just don’t know which ones yet, so it is pointless to fight about it.
Ultimately and personally, I think the Marxist view of the monetary economy is superior and more historically analytical, but I also genuinely don’t think it matters that much where we are at this point historically. Personally, I’ve been able to turn many libertarian socialists into more Marxist thinkers using MMT as an entry point into structured economics. It’s not an entry point for libs or socdems, it’s an entry point for libertarian socialists. I support your view here, it would be nice if JT self-crits and discusses those problems in a later post. I just don’t think we’re at a point it matters to argue about it, imo any systemic thinking ‘at all’ is good. Propoganda is propoganda is propoganda. I could be wrong though.